Nobody talked about blue hydrogen. I said to later switch to Green Hydrogen when it’s possible. These Gas powered plants will run only couple of days, and with more batteries the less gas plants will be needed.
You make random wild assumptions about Battery prices going up again and that Photovoltaic will be reaching soon peak efficiency. You have no base for these assumptions. Batteries get better and cheaper every year. There will be more manufactures, so more competition.
Please read what it actually says or we’re gonna be here a long ass time.
Green hydrogen is only a percentage of 1% of hydrogen being produced worldwide. 99% of it comes from fossil fuels. What is your plan, are you going to magically fart out all that hydrogen?
Gas will also not run a couple of days lol. Solar will hardly provide anything in the winter.
Solar only runs at 25% of it’s max capacity, wind at 35%, because solar and wind are so unpredictable and unreliable.
Don’t kid yourself: your gas plants will be on throughout most of the winter. For decades to come in your scenario.
You make random wild assumptions about Battery prices going up again
Ever heard of supply and demand? It’s quite a basic principle.
Photovoltaic will be reaching soon peak efficiency
They’re already at 25% and efficiency breakthroughs are slowing
There will be more manufactures, so more competition.
You make random wild assumptions about battery producers… you have no base for these assumptions.
The article you linked is about a research factory. You realise research factories don’t produce anything for commercial use, right?
It would be really stupid
You keep talking about “stupid” but your solution is gas plants and magic hydrogen production out of your ass, mines with millions kg of lithium when the equivalent of only one NPP requires billions of kgs.
And then you still haven’t charged any batteries.
And then you still haven’t solved where you’re going to get your power from on all those quiet winter nights after an overcast day. Batteries will have long died by then.
Magical thinking and winging it isn’t going to cut it. I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here. I tried to explain how this works but it seems like you’re not reading any of it.
I’m talking about the future. So why are w talking about how much green hydrogen is produced today. We are talking about 50+ years in the future. The infrastrucuture is being build today.
Do you think there is no wind during winter?
You can check here how much renewables we (germany) currently make during winter and this is without having build batterie storage.
Yes in germany there are battery research factorys being build, which is important if you wanna produce them yourself? There also factorys to build batteries.
I feel like you don’t understand that nuclear plants make finacially zero sense. It is very stupid to invest into nuclear plants. It’s a waste of money and a waste of time.
I feel like I’m talking to a brick because you don’t understand that part.
Renewables and batteries are a growing market and we should invest there.
You do some random math materials, show me some research that says we can’t build enough batteries for the energy transition. I don’t need some AI math.
Wait, so first NPP’s are too slow to build at 7-10
years and now suddenly we are talking about 50+ years into the future?
We need a plan for now and the next decade just as much as 50+ years. Droughts and heat waves are giving all of Europe a beating this summer and it’s only going to get worse, while energy demand goes up.
Do you think there is no wind during winter?
Yes. There will be so many days and especially nights with little to no wind come winter. Did you see the capacity factor of 35% ? Do you get what it means? If you don’t, feel free to ask. Again, please read what is written or we will be here a very long. This is really getting a bit frustrating now.
I feel like you don’t understand that nuclear plants make finacially zero sense.
Who needs finance if there is literally no other option? You’re not talking to the brick. You are it.
Batteries don’t come out of thin air. PV cells don’t either.
You don’t even understand the basic math about energy density that I laid out for you like you’re in kindergarten and you want to tell me I don’t understand stuff? Remember that? Where you needed 800 of your German mines to match one single NPP? Please puzzle that together and think about where you’re going to get all that lithium, cobalt and other stuff from, process, transport and place 5 million kilograms of battery for every single kilogram of uranium.
I feel like Germans (I’m assuming) can’t handle the fact that they made the wrong decision to dump nuclear and are now doubling down on why it was the best decision ever.
So, again, no magic hydrogen farts this time and no 50 year sci fi time jumps.
What’s your plan to keep us powered on quiet winter nights after an overcast day in the decade to come?
Yes because NPP take too long to build, what do you don’t understand about that? How many nuclear reactors can we build now and will be finished fully in 50 years? How much will it cost? How expensive will be the electricity?
Yes there will be a few weeks/days during winter which will need gas plants. Do you understand that this is not anlong time during the year? Maybe 2 weeks in a year? Maybe 4 weeks? And it will be need less and less. This is really frustrating because you think we would need to fire gas 6 Months long.
NPP also don’t appear out of thin air. At least PV and batterys are build very fast.
Just tell me where you read that we will have problems with lithium cobalt and all the stuff. Please. Nobody is worrying about it as much as you do.
Yes germany. Yes it would have been better to keep the old NPP running longer until we are done with coal.
BUT starting to build NOW some reactors would be the most dumbest thing we could do. It would be such a waste of money. Better to invest the money into renewable tech.
If you have some NPP running, keep them. But don’t build new ones.
Nobody talked about blue hydrogen. I said to later switch to Green Hydrogen when it’s possible. These Gas powered plants will run only couple of days, and with more batteries the less gas plants will be needed.
You make random wild assumptions about Battery prices going up again and that Photovoltaic will be reaching soon peak efficiency. You have no base for these assumptions. Batteries get better and cheaper every year. There will be more manufactures, so more competition.
This is from last year:
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Milestone-in-Muenster-First-European-battery-cell-from-research-factory-11115809.html
It would be really stupid to invest all that money into a nuclear plant, which will take 10+ years to build, just to produce expensive electricity.
That money should be invested into renewables + battery, for cheaper and more efficient electricity.
Please read what it actually says or we’re gonna be here a long ass time.
Green hydrogen is only a percentage of 1% of hydrogen being produced worldwide. 99% of it comes from fossil fuels. What is your plan, are you going to magically fart out all that hydrogen?
Gas will also not run a couple of days lol. Solar will hardly provide anything in the winter. Solar only runs at 25% of it’s max capacity, wind at 35%, because solar and wind are so unpredictable and unreliable.
Don’t kid yourself: your gas plants will be on throughout most of the winter. For decades to come in your scenario.
Ever heard of supply and demand? It’s quite a basic principle.
They’re already at 25% and efficiency breakthroughs are slowing
You make random wild assumptions about battery producers… you have no base for these assumptions.
The article you linked is about a research factory. You realise research factories don’t produce anything for commercial use, right?
You keep talking about “stupid” but your solution is gas plants and magic hydrogen production out of your ass, mines with millions kg of lithium when the equivalent of only one NPP requires billions of kgs.
And then you still haven’t charged any batteries.
And then you still haven’t solved where you’re going to get your power from on all those quiet winter nights after an overcast day. Batteries will have long died by then.
Magical thinking and winging it isn’t going to cut it. I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here. I tried to explain how this works but it seems like you’re not reading any of it.
I’m talking about the future. So why are w talking about how much green hydrogen is produced today. We are talking about 50+ years in the future. The infrastrucuture is being build today.
Do you think there is no wind during winter?
You can check here how much renewables we (germany) currently make during winter and this is without having build batterie storage.
https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&week=01
Yes in germany there are battery research factorys being build, which is important if you wanna produce them yourself? There also factorys to build batteries.
I feel like you don’t understand that nuclear plants make finacially zero sense. It is very stupid to invest into nuclear plants. It’s a waste of money and a waste of time.
I feel like I’m talking to a brick because you don’t understand that part.
Renewables and batteries are a growing market and we should invest there.
You do some random math materials, show me some research that says we can’t build enough batteries for the energy transition. I don’t need some AI math.
I think we will not agree to each other.
Wait, so first NPP’s are too slow to build at 7-10 years and now suddenly we are talking about 50+ years into the future?
We need a plan for now and the next decade just as much as 50+ years. Droughts and heat waves are giving all of Europe a beating this summer and it’s only going to get worse, while energy demand goes up.
Yes. There will be so many days and especially nights with little to no wind come winter. Did you see the capacity factor of 35% ? Do you get what it means? If you don’t, feel free to ask. Again, please read what is written or we will be here a very long. This is really getting a bit frustrating now.
Who needs finance if there is literally no other option? You’re not talking to the brick. You are it.
Batteries don’t come out of thin air. PV cells don’t either.
You don’t even understand the basic math about energy density that I laid out for you like you’re in kindergarten and you want to tell me I don’t understand stuff? Remember that? Where you needed 800 of your German mines to match one single NPP? Please puzzle that together and think about where you’re going to get all that lithium, cobalt and other stuff from, process, transport and place 5 million kilograms of battery for every single kilogram of uranium.
I feel like Germans (I’m assuming) can’t handle the fact that they made the wrong decision to dump nuclear and are now doubling down on why it was the best decision ever.
So, again, no magic hydrogen farts this time and no 50 year sci fi time jumps. What’s your plan to keep us powered on quiet winter nights after an overcast day in the decade to come?
Yes because NPP take too long to build, what do you don’t understand about that? How many nuclear reactors can we build now and will be finished fully in 50 years? How much will it cost? How expensive will be the electricity?
Yes there will be a few weeks/days during winter which will need gas plants. Do you understand that this is not anlong time during the year? Maybe 2 weeks in a year? Maybe 4 weeks? And it will be need less and less. This is really frustrating because you think we would need to fire gas 6 Months long.
NPP also don’t appear out of thin air. At least PV and batterys are build very fast.
Just tell me where you read that we will have problems with lithium cobalt and all the stuff. Please. Nobody is worrying about it as much as you do.
Yes germany. Yes it would have been better to keep the old NPP running longer until we are done with coal.
BUT starting to build NOW some reactors would be the most dumbest thing we could do. It would be such a waste of money. Better to invest the money into renewable tech.
If you have some NPP running, keep them. But don’t build new ones.