Satellite imagery taken after the US strike on Iran’s Fordow site showed smoke rising from the fuel enrichment plant. US President Donald Trump claimed key Iranian nuclear sites had been “obliterated,” while Iran claimed it had removed nuclear material from the sites before the strikes.

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    I’m an American and I hate to break this to you but the people elected this clown. That’s how it works here. You didn’t vote for him? Okay. But until you’re doing absolutely everything you can to prevent people like him being elected, you don’t get to just shrug off responsibility. I know exactly two people who are doing everything they can, and neither of them is me.

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      It’s a tough one. Even the people who voted for him are mainly guilty of being gullible. Noone is born maga. They get indoctrinated. The gullible believe it, the rest make up all the stories about family political arguments at holiday dinners…

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        That’s fairly true of everyone and everything. We are born into a culture and it influences us greatly. I don’t think adults get any kind of a pass because of that. Certainly Americans of voting age have options about what to think and believe, regardless of where they start out.

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          That’s basically victim blaming. You are implying they have a choice to be less gullible? And yeah, it is a large group, the size of it doesn’t really matter. The powers that be are taking advantage of the masses for thier own purposes. And they know they are doing it.

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            I’m saying they are adults and they have some responsibilities. I have lived in a place where thought options were actively suppressed, and I know how much freedom and information access Americans have. It’s true there is abuse and manipulation and lying out there. But no, I am not comfortable calling MAGAts victims and blaming someone else for how they vote. They are indeed getting fooled, but let’s be real: it’s a “fool me twice” situation in Trump’s second term.

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              But look at the data. Forvthe most part it is the red states he is hurting the most. They litterally are the victums. Doesn’t stop me from hating them, but I know the blame doesn’t really belong on them. The people who deserve the blame just want us to blame them.

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                They go on their gut, not on data. And that too is a choice they make as adults which I think we can hold them responsible for.

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                  You need to try to talk to more of these people. There are some who deserve blame, but not nearly as many as you think. Being an adult doesn’t automatically make a person capable of good decisions.

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                    I’m not saying it does, but as an adult you are responsible for your choices. None of what you’re saying would ever stand up in court.

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        And Trump is that way because he’s an unintelligent nepobaby. We have to draw a line somewhere.

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          Trump is mostly a pawn really. The people pulling the strings is where the line should be drawn. They know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway.