Germany’s domestic intelligence agency last week classified the largest opposition party, the AfD, as “confirmed right-wing extremist.” This has intensified debates over whether or not to ban the party.
On Friday, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) was classified as “confirmed right-wing extremist” by Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV).
Now, there has been a first fallout: two AfD politicians and parliamentarians are not allowed to accompany Hesse’s Minister for European affairs, Manfred Pentz, on a trip to Serbia and Croatia. Pentz explained that he could not expect international partners “to sit down at the same table with representatives of a party that has been confirmed as right-wing extremist.”
Further measures also threaten the radical right-wing party: several federal states want to examine whether being a civil servant, including judges, police officers, teachers, or soldiers, is still compatible with being a member of the AfD.
Maybe Germany should also focus more on creating a lot of good jobs too. There will be less people attracted to alternative parties peddling them crazy solutions to their problems
Blue is the new brown.
And the afd gaining power just a symptom of the younger generation getting targeted by the camouflaged propaganda media.
Yea, we all are from all sides always, though the younger gens are far more susceptible.
It’s not even the media. There are groups targeting kids in online games. There’s a cult called 754 I think that’s the correct number. And they’re radicalizing kids.
Good and all the AfD asswipes can join the Russian infantry. Take the Die Linke with you too.
That’s what we needed to do with MAGA.
The US constitution kinda sucks and just trusts those in power to uphold democracy. Germany learned from Hitler that that isn’t the case, so their constitution provides multiple defences against a dictator that US lacks
Fuck no!
They’re self-identifying.
We needed to execute Trump for treason, then everyone with a Maga had should have been tracked for life as potential security threats.
That’s what we needed to do with the Republican Party. They’re one and the same at this point.
While I don’t disagree with you in principle, the reality of having only 1 political party after this also doesn’t look particularly good.
The main thing you need is a much better constitution
This is the right answer
Ideally if it happened the dems would just become the right wing party and other actually left wing parties would appear. But with how screwed up the election system is in America we’d just end up in same place 😭
It’s likely to blow-back domestically. Like other countries around the world, Germany’s far right nationalist party has strong domestic support right now. This may silence some politicians, bit t doesn’t address the underlying issues, nor the reasons that ppl are wandering towards fascism.
My opinion is that general failures of liberal parties to actually make life better, and reduce corruption. People have lost faith.
They have strong domestic support because they have been poisoning the public debate with always jumping on migration and inventing stories as well as blowing things out of proportion and the media and other parties playing along. The more politics shifted to the right because of the AfD, the stronger the AfD became.
Their ideas and the way they conduct themselves was normalized, so people approve of it, because they think it is normal and legitimate. If you make it clear that it is neither, it will defuse the far right. Also by banning them, their organizations are dismantled, their politicians thrown out of power and their assets seized.
If you want to stop a fire you need to stop fueling it with self-igniting fuel. Only then can you extinguish the fire.
It’s the same shit as the economist arguing against le pen being banned from running in France. Heaven forbid she and her party broke the fucking law and are being held accountable. They think the public somehow knows better.
Newsflash- we have laws for a reason. Laws without punishment are useless and so is a government that refuses to respect them. They will sow their own destruction with abdication.
Germany decommissioned their nuclear plants for being scary with wind apparently being the future despite not having 100% uptime, and then spent a half a trillion dollars trying to generate power when they got cut off from Russia.
While all this is happening they lower barriers to immigration to depress salaries to try to counteract the inflation they caused, then you wonder why people are turning to the right. If I lived there I’d be miserable as well, these people running the country are incompetent. Trying to ban political the party for anti-immigration and trying to link them to the nazi party and is further idiocy, the party was created when Germany brought in a million poor refugees. If Germany managed integration better it would not even exist, there should just be a cap on country of origin like the US has, Germany does have a culture that is worth attempting to maintain.
Here is the kind of comment I was referring to. General distrust leads to propaganda like targeting connecting general incompetence to anger inducing “enemy” targeting.
All of the 1st world rely on immigration to keep population growth - but in Germany it has created an enemy? Here is how the ADD garners support.
It’d called the Phillips curve, they created a labor shortage via QE. Then to entrench asset price inflation they did higher than normal immigration.
Here’s a paper on it, which outlines how wage pressure is normal, and is desirable to reverse the wealth inequality caused by asset price inflation.
All of the 1st world rely on immigration to keep population growth
No they don’t. They rely on them to meet skills shortages and sometimes use them to lower the going wage.
They are supposed to use immigration for that, bit they also use it to keep population growth, because the long term economy growth need it.
Killing nuclear was the biggest own goal in political history.
They literally made themselves economically dependent on their worse enemy.
Big brain move right there.
The Germans have gone through their MAGA phase already though, so the hope has always been they’d have their shit sorted if it happened again. Here’s hoping that proves to be true.
Ban the shit out of these fascists mfers.
2025: AfD is banned
2026: New party is forned, Germans for an Alternative, or Deutsch für eine Alternative (DfA)
🙃
(You know what this means: The only good nazi is a dead one)
Any follow up organization is also banned. So if a new organization forms it will be much easier to see if they are a follow up organization and dissolve it right away.
You can’t just “dissolve” fascism though. Until the underlying problem is fixed it’ll keep resurfacing.
Yes and until then we will ban them so they don’t ger funding from the state they want to destroy.
Exactly this happened with the extreme right in Flanders (Belgium). They were convicted for racism and promptly refounded themselves under a new name.
Ineffectual regulation doesn’t work. There needs to be more resolve.
Apparently, they have been able to not be blatantly racist enough in their new incarnation. Perhaps they should have gone more after the core leadership instead of only the party.
And where are they now?
Still being kept out of government roles, still being dangerously big. Last municipal election they got an absolute majority in one town and got included in one or two coalitions. Last Flemish elections, they were tied as the biggest party with about 25%. While the other big party is also right wing Flemish nationalist btw
The problem I see is people accepting to form coalitions with them. That is centrist (read: milder fascist) behavior.
Yeah, it was a little shocking to see this happen now. Though to be fair, it only happened with local parties that did not belong to a national umbrella party. All the parties that matter at the provincial level and above still maintain the principle of not working with them.
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Germanst will ban every group protesting against genocide before they ban the people doing a Nazi salute.
Please germany, please be based 🥺❤️ (and bad the asdf)
There’s only one political party in German history who banned other political parties. Just because you call a different party a fascist, doesn’t mean you get a pass to act like a fascist.
Being intolerant of fascists does not make one a fascist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
That only applies if you are the objective truth. If you are wrong, then it’s just another tool for bigotry, an excuse to ignore other opinions.
Who gets to decide who is a fascist and therefore doesn’t deserve to participate in democracy? What is the criteria for not deserving a voice? How do you define fascist? Maybe I’m cynical, but if you can eliminate popular political opposition by branding them as something, that’s a lot of motivation to brand them.
He’s MAGA
This wouldn’t be a party banning another party, it would be the independent constitutional court
No the court labeled afd as “confirmed right wing extremist” and someone else decided that that meant they couldn’t participate.
Not true, there have been multiple banned parties since WW2
Yeah you are right. There have been a couple others, but quite a few attempts to ban various parties. I don’t quite understand the system and it’s possible that banning a party there isn’t near as big of a deal as it seems to me. If a party were banned in the united states, it would be very alarming. I think the only party ever banned was the communist party in 1950s, but even that is no longer really in effect.
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