Hey folks, being the family IT man I’ve held onto all of my families photos/videos over the last 20 years
I’ve been pretty careless with the backups and I know if I don’t do anything it’s only a matter of time before I lose them
Although I’ve never used them, tape drives seem to be the best so I thought I’d ask here if anyone uses them for their homelab?
It might be overkill for a few GB of photos but I’d also use the tape drives for data hoarding purposes so it’s a win win in my book
Great question! If it’s only a few GB I wouldn’t bother with tape. There are other options like
- Google Photos - I’ve been using it for 10+ years without filling up the free 10 or 15 GB, whatever it is.
- Burning a bunch of DVDs, repeat every 5 years.
- Get a couple cheap hard drives then replace 1 of them every 3-5 years so one is always fairly new.
tape drives seem to be the best
Tape drives are the keytars of the tech world. They seem cool and a pro can really jam with them… but they’re not the most practical and you should really get a guitar or a keyboard until you know what you’re doing.
Yeet your shit onto rsync.net or sth else simple and call it a day, unless you’re in it for the meme.
Tape drives are the keytars of the tech world. They seem cool and a pro can really jam with them… but they’re not the most practical and you should really get a guitar or a keyboard until you know what you’re doing.
That made me snort. But you speak the truth. I have a Roland AX-Edge that I bought off a guy who thought it would be a good idea to play. I think he paid like $1200 for it and after the new wore off, he sold it to me for $400, basically brand new.
Forget the tapes. This is hard to say but just pay for online storage. It’s $9.99 a month for 2TB from Google and Apple. Your data will be safe and accessable by family if something happens to you. You could also get a cheap NAS like device like this https://a.co/d/dgsnQbr and maybe every couple of months you create a offline backup onto another device.
In this vein, Backblaze Personal unlimited account would be well worth it to me. $8.25 USD ($99/year contract) for unlimited backups. The downside to Backblaze is if you’re pushing large volumes of data, like above 5 TB, it is excruciatingly slow doing a restore online. Luckily, they will sell/rent you a 10 TB drive with your data, shipped to you. After you make the restore/transfer, you can decide to send the drive back for a full refund, or keep it.
My advice is avoid tape backups. The cost, risk of media degredation, and management overhead make them not worth it, especially for a homelab.
Also, restoring an entire VM is almost easier than recovering a single file, just because of the sequential nature of reading data from a tape. Data recoveries are pretty slow in general.
I backup to an external hard drive with regular copies to iDrive S3. Been doing it that way for a number of years with no problems.
I’ve been using tape libraries since the early 2000’s and I agree I wouldn’t be bothered to have to deal with them in my homelab. Just having to manage rotations and so on… uuuugh no thanks.
Why do tape drives seen to be best? What’s your use case? They’re still used in enterprise environments because they’re insanely dense compared to hard disks, and it’s real easy to load a truck with a few petabytes to ship elsewhere. Is that what you need? Density? Seems like not for just a few gigs.
If you want backups you need to ship your media, tapes or otherwise, off-site.
Pop your files into a cloud service and call it done. If you’re looking for long term archives and don’t want to use other people’s computers, burn some DVDs and store them at someone else’s house.
Tape is unfortunately uneconomical for regular people due to the drives costing so much, unless you get a used, older generation one.
How many GB’s do you mean? Maybe try some optical discs, BD-R at 25GB maybe.
Otherwise just rent some online storage. Hetzner Storage Box is cheap and Storage Share is only slightly less cheap, and has lots of sharing features (it’s really NextCloud).
If they’re considering optical media, typical BD-R, while viable, may not be be the best choice. BD-R M-Discs would probably be a better choice for backups. Especially if they’re planning on needing access to the data over a period of decades, which would be potentially useful for familiy photos/videos and critical documents.
They are more expensive, as is the drive needed for them, but not by enough to be out of reach or even unreasonable given the additional durability of the discs.
Tapes can have long term issues in storage, as the tape reel winds will eventually start to bleed over magnetic signals from one wind to the next.
In analog world, they call it tape hiss. In digital world, with good error correction, it can last a long time, but is still ultimately prone to data corruption, eventually…
I recommend a video surveillance rated multi terabyte hard drive, they’re designed to run 24/7. I have two 4TB Seagate Skyhawks.
Tape drives will be expensive and likely beyond overkill for this. I’d recommend you grab a blue ray DVD writer and use that instead. The discs are generally shelf stable for 25 years and hold about 50-128GB depending on the disc. Duplicates are cheap, storage is relatively easy, and it doesn’t require constant upkeep/power like a hard drive would. Downsides? They just stopped making the discs, so they’ll grow in cost over time. That’s about it that I can think of.
