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What’s with all the stupid comments here?
She is obviously unhealthily thin, and of course she is allowed to be thin.
What is not allowed, and shouldn’t be anywhere, is to idealize such extreme unhealthy standards in advertisements, and particularly not as a “fashion statement”.Edit PS:
The reason it is banned in some places, and should be banned, is that it sets an unhealthy standard, and causes eating disorders among especially teenager girls. It’s basically for the same reason that advertising tobacco is illegal in most places.So by that logic we should ban all ads featuring fat people too?
You have to compare this to being obese, not simply being fat, that girl is not simply slim, she is extremely thin bordering on anorexic.
So no, and the reason it is banned in some places and should be in all, is that it causes eating disorders especially among teenage girls that try to become unhealthily thin to live up to an impossible fashion ideal.
There is no similar fashion ideal for being obese. But if hypothetically there was, and it caused a similar effect, it should also hypothetically be illegal to use obese models.
I’m that thin too. Do you know how fucking tired I am of hearing about how I’m “bordering on anorexic”? Shut the fuck up, I probably eat more than you. You’re right, there are a lot of stupid comments in here, as you put it. But they all sound like you. Reread your comments with the new understanding that there are thin people reading them too.
This is just a bunch of fat people collectively saying ‘ew you should eat more’ and it’s gross.
Seriously. This was my take too. It’s gross that people are calling a thin person that they know nothing about “unhealthy”.
Why do I have to compare this to being obese? What metric are you using that implies
(obese == skinny) > fat?Very obviously for similar extreme in the physical condition.
So its only extremist based? What about body building?
Whataboutism?
You could say what about lots of things, but what about arguing your case?
Body building is not at all within a similar category of fashion magazines setting an unhealthy standard as for being thin.Mention One high end fashion company that uses extreme body builders for their models.
Body building is a sport, being thin is not a sport.Although body building is also extreme, it is a different category and a different debate.
It’s not whataboutism - just trying to understand your point of view how skinny is worse than fat when objectively speaking they both carry similar health risk, I’d even argue that until you get old skinny is still healthier than fat. So clearly you’re not referring to the health metric - what is it then?
You just keep patching your thought process with goal post movement. First it’s health, then it’s extreme mindset, now it’s “sport” whatever that means?
Either way cleaely you haven’t formed a steong position here and as someone who’s been friends with many people who are naturally skinny and got bullied for it I’d say that you’re really missing something here.
You’re going to need to add “plus size” models to stay consistent.
Plus size models are not becoming a problem as a fashion statement, which is contrary to unhealthily thin models.
And using plus size models serve the purpose of showing the clothes are actually available in those sizes, which they often are not.
That’s good news.
Can we also ban ads with obese people in them, too?
There are two ends to the unhealthy weight spectrum, so it’s not right that only one is being targeted.
And then we ban the rest of the ads! I like it. Write that down.
False equivalence.
Obese is not a fashion standard people pursue, being extremely thin is.It is not just about being unhealthy, it’s about not setting unhealthy standards.
a fashion standard people pursue, being extremely thin is.
I strongly disagree.
Standard people want to look healthy, fit, and maybe have some muscle. You know, the stuff that the majority would say brings sex appeal.
But nobody wants to look like a sad, malnourished bonerack, unless they have an eating disorder. I’d argue that most people find the look of gauntness, protruding bones, no muscle, etc. to be unflattering and quite disgusting. There are probably studies on this, I haven’t looked.
The issue is that the fashion industry seems to like this look, and people with eating disorders find validation in that. It is a terrible cycle, no denying that.
That does beg the question, though: why not set the standard by having fit people wear your clothing? Why malnourished and sickly? Only a tiny fraction of the population has an eating disorder that causes them to be underweight, and I doubt very much that these companies are making all their profits off them.
It is not just about being unhealthy, it’s about not setting unhealthy standards.
I agree, which is why we should not be normalizing obesity, one of the top causes of death and morbidity, in advertisements. This isn’t an opinion, I already linked a study showing that ads, even when intended to be positive, negatively affect obese people due to the normalization of this unhealthy standard.
But nobody wants to look like a sad, malnourished bonerack
That is more common than you are probably aware of. Of course they don’t see it that way, they only see themselves as too big, even when they are far from it.
Unfortunately many clothes designers prefer models that are basically clothes racks. This is AFAIK the reason the standards have become so unhealthy they need to be regulated.
There are plenty horror stories about fashion houses that pressure their models to lose weight, and even provide drugs to endure not eating, despite they are already underweight. So there is 100% a widespread unhealthy attitude towards weight in the fashion industry, that needs to be regulated. The same is not the case for being fat that I have ever heard about.we should not be normalizing obesity
Absolutely, but there also needs to be the possibility for clothes brands that specialize in clothing for “big” people to show their products in a reasonable way.
It can be very difficult for both overweight and even just tall women to find clothes that fit well. I don’t think banning advertising that helps anybody.
It’s very obviously not either a fashion or beauty ideal.
This is not normally nearly as much a problem for thin people. Although it can be for very small women too, I’ve heard of some that have to buy clothes and shoes for Children.So there is 100% an unhealthy attitude towards weight in the fashion industry, that needs to be regulated.
In fairness, the fashion industry is a circus, almost literally. The stuff you see on the runway is so ridiculous that they might as well simply be costumes and not clothes. And the models, while they do suffer real consequences, are forced to have an unhealthy look to fit the character they play in this circus.
I would much rather see positive education into how to actually be fit and healthy, so that teens have no reason to look at these circus performers as a template.
but there also needs to be the possibility for clothes brands that specialize in clothing for “big” people to show their products in a reasonable way.
Absolutely. The reality is, people come in all different shapes and sizes, so there’s a realistic expectation that they’ll still need to buy clothes. But the normalization of super heavy (or super skinny) needs to go away.
The fashion industry is so much more than just the “circus” you mention. That is just the top of the iceberg. These standards have also spread to more common fashion, advertising clothes for ordinary people.
I would much rather see positive education into how to actually be fit and healthy, so that teens have no reason to look at these circus performers as a template.
If there’s a method for that, that actually works, that would be great.
These standards have also spread to more common fashion, advertising clothes for ordinary people.
No doubt.
If there’s a method for that, that actually works, that would be great.
First, block and avoid ads. They are poison to the mind. Dropping social media is also strongly suggested.
It’s hard to not fall prey to marketing companies if ads surround you on a daily basis, and I can’t honestly imagine how difficult it must be for any teen who uses the internet or apps unfiltered. It’s a losing battle if those influences aren’t dealt with first.
I have all ads blocked, I never see ads in my everyday life, not on TV, not on my phone or on my computer, and not on radio. I’m personally 99.9% ad free.
But the only reason that’s possible, is because we are a tiny minority, probably about 90% of people don’t care enough or don’t know how to get around the advertising.To do that for everybody would be a major shift for society, that is not possible to do without a strong legal framework to achieve it, something that is not at all realistic in the current political situation in any place in the world.
So I think for now, the best we can do, is to regulate very thin models in the situation we are debating here.
‘protruding collarbones’
Isn’t that normal in a healthy person?
It should protude if you do the
Yes but she didn’t have a license for protruding collarbones
Arrest her ass and send her to el Salvador. This is a traitorous crime. Over half of patriotic Americans work tirelessly to ensure their collarbones are buried deep.
There’s a difference between seeing someone’s collar bone and accidentally slicing your hand on it.
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Dated a Jamaican woman back in the day, 5’10", maybe 110lbs, perfectly healthy, did nothing to keep her weight down. People can be fine looking like this model.
This story seems so odd to me, like crazy overreach in service of a fine goal. Meh, what do I know. Fat people were rare when I was young. What’s now considered “skinny” was perfectly normal in the last century.
In the early 1960s, roughly 13% of people were considered obese by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines. Recent figures suggest that a current national obesity rate closer to 43%.
In addition, nearly 10% of all Americans were morbidly obese during the 2017–2018 survey, compared to less than 1% in 1960–1962. Childhood obesity rates tripled from 5% in the early 1970s to more than 19% by March 2020.
https://usafacts.org/articles/obesity-rate-nearly-triples-united-states-over-last-50-years/
I used to be similar to your ex, and stuff like in this post is why I wore a t-shirt to the pool until I was like 20. Not saying I had it as bad as a fat person, but body shaming the other end of the spectrum ain’t it either.
LOL, think you misread me or misstated. You were tall and thin as a rail but had to hide that at the pool? 😆
I do not wish to shame anyone. I merely want to scream to the heavens that where we are at is not normal or sane.
What if the same stats showed such a rise in alcoholism? Wouldn’t we find that to be a major problem? Wouldn’t we be questioning the impact on societal health? Wouldn’t we be questioning the impact on all of our medical systems?
Here’s NYC in the 1900s. Spot the fat people. No one is going to tell me those people were suffering starvation. They had plenty of other problems, but that seems like a thriving society to me.
We can talk all day long about why they were normal sized. We can talk all day about why everyone’s fat now days. We need to talk about BOTH.
I think I was being unclear! I was trying to agree with you that banning ads with thin people is shitty, because when I was growing up, that was a huge thing, with ‘real men like curves’ and generally all the media being all about how gross it is to be skinny. And so I felt compelled to hide my underweight body. ‘protruding collar bones’ like in the article is pretty much a direct quote from quite a few of my bullies. It’s important to fight fat phobia, but this really ain’t it.
Oh! I get you now. My ex-wife had the same issues, wouldn’t wear shorts because she was bullied for her skinny legs as a child. She’s got long, thin, smooth legs any woman would DIE for!
Absolutely overweight is a public health problem. But overweight is not a beauty or fashion ideal. It’s a very different problem.
People are getting eating disorders in attempts to become thinner than they should, which is why extremely thin models in some places are not allowed in fashion modelling. It’s not just to protect the models, it’s also to prevent an unhealthy ideal.
this is thin shaming.
Or normalising obesity.
They look anorexic. I don’t know why so many people are into that skeletal look.
They absolutely do not look anorexic - are we looking at the same pictures?
This seems like just a different flavor of bullying just now skinny people instead of fat. Some people are naturally frail and shouldn’t be outcast from society for something they cant control (unlike most fat people).
We’re talking modeling here, unfortunately a lot of those girls are forced down anorexia street and dont just appear to be thin naturally
Anorexia is much more dangerous than obesity. Holding up the anorexic body type as a model of beauty has killed many young girls.
Is it? According to whom? Are you comparing an extreme anorexic to an extreme 400kg obese person? Is the line really that clear for you here?
I love women so thin that other guys find it borderline gross. But damn, I’m afraid that model is skeletal under her clothes.
Generally: Good! Nuance: Some people are super thin by default and still healthy. However, that is not the standard and should not be pushed on anyone. Can we find a way to regulate health requirements for models? There’s so much technology we can use these days to see if someone is damaging their body by behaving a certain way, would mandatory screening for that not be the best way forward?
That’s not to say less/unhealthy people can’t be models or beautiful, but just to make sure nobody feels like they need to starve themself in any way.
I don’t see the issue with thin models, or that people would rather look at them. What should be banned is retouching the images to the point of being unrealistic.
Ooh do Dollskill next
Great news!
Zara is gonna be going on a big hiring spree in Gaza soon…
Man, this is the kind of dark humor i like.
Distasteful comment.
Zara ran ads in Britain mocking the Palestinian Civilians being slaughtered by Israel.
It is clear that they have no respect for any human life.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/12/zara-ad-campaign-body-bag-images-gaza-conflict/
Clearly they were upset they couldn’t get their models to lool as skinny as the starving malnourished children
Lmao what an idiotic stretch. Here’s an archive if someone else wants to have a laugh: https://archive.is/J6s6J
Can’t have the poms feeling bad about their bodies, can we now?
