Hey, remember when Turkey unflinchingly smoked an Su-24 that entered their airspace, and then Russian shit flying into Turkish airspace was no longer a problem that Turkey had to deal with?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The solution is easy. You just need to have the stones to react to the situation as the Russians themselves would. That’s the geopolitical calculus they respond to. This pussy-footing around “avoiding escalation” encourages them to engage in encroaching brinksmanship. If NATO were to collectively say “here’s the line, don’t fucking cross it”, and then frag anything that crossed the line, Russia would very quickly stop crossing the line.
Hey, listen here, appeasement will work THIS time, I am sure of it. Maybe the EU needs to send send back some Russian dissidents and asylum seekers, that’ll do it. Or buy some more oil.
On a more serious note, NATO does not seem to understand that “fuck around,find out” doesn’t work when the “find out” phase is just a strongly worded letter.
It’s a direct result of relying almost entirely on the US Military as the “find out” part. That was a fine policy when there wasn’t much to do, but turns out that it’s not a great idea when US domestic politics become incredibly polarized and unpredictable, and whiplash wildly depending on which party gains power. The fact that this wasn’t used as rationale to improve European defense over the last decade or so - specifically, after the 2016 election - is utterly insane to me. Now, everyone’s scrambling around and panicking about how to defend stuff without the US - that is, assuming they’ve even admitted that US isolationism is a thing that’s not going away, which is its own unique flavor of insane myopicism.
All 100% true. EU and rest of NATO giving Trump valid ammunition by not meeting spend targets and essentially giving up the defense game is one of the greatest self-cuckings of all time. Obama and Merkel sold out Crimea for cheap LNG, and EU kept doing business as usual and now the world is hyperdependent on US.
Remember when Russia shot down a passenger jet and over 200 people died and the worst that happened to them was finger pointing? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
NATO and Russia have been in a state of war for a long time now. it could have been as early as 2014, but defintley since 2022.
the difference is the war isn’t directley Kinetic, but we’re getting there, this is a small step up the escalatory ladder. We aren’t quite at the level Turkey was though, shooting down VKS jets and Killing Pilots
Russia clearly does not share these concerns. This wasn’t an “act of aggression,” it was an act of war. Maybe rethink your attitude, NATO.
Hey, remember when Turkey unflinchingly smoked an Su-24 that entered their airspace, and then Russian shit flying into Turkish airspace was no longer a problem that Turkey had to deal with?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The solution is easy. You just need to have the stones to react to the situation as the Russians themselves would. That’s the geopolitical calculus they respond to. This pussy-footing around “avoiding escalation” encourages them to engage in encroaching brinksmanship. If NATO were to collectively say “here’s the line, don’t fucking cross it”, and then frag anything that crossed the line, Russia would very quickly stop crossing the line.
Hey, listen here, appeasement will work THIS time, I am sure of it. Maybe the EU needs to send send back some Russian dissidents and asylum seekers, that’ll do it. Or buy some more oil.
On a more serious note, NATO does not seem to understand that “fuck around,find out” doesn’t work when the “find out” phase is just a strongly worded letter.
It’s a direct result of relying almost entirely on the US Military as the “find out” part. That was a fine policy when there wasn’t much to do, but turns out that it’s not a great idea when US domestic politics become incredibly polarized and unpredictable, and whiplash wildly depending on which party gains power. The fact that this wasn’t used as rationale to improve European defense over the last decade or so - specifically, after the 2016 election - is utterly insane to me. Now, everyone’s scrambling around and panicking about how to defend stuff without the US - that is, assuming they’ve even admitted that US isolationism is a thing that’s not going away, which is its own unique flavor of insane myopicism.
All 100% true. EU and rest of NATO giving Trump valid ammunition by not meeting spend targets and essentially giving up the defense game is one of the greatest self-cuckings of all time. Obama and Merkel sold out Crimea for cheap LNG, and EU kept doing business as usual and now the world is hyperdependent on US.
Yes, it’s the Chuck Schumer school of international relations, unfortunately.
Remember when Russia shot down a passenger jet and over 200 people died and the worst that happened to them was finger pointing? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Yep. Pretty fucking insane that they’ve effectively gotten away with that whole episode scott-free
NATO and Russia have been in a state of war for a long time now. it could have been as early as 2014, but defintley since 2022.
the difference is the war isn’t directley Kinetic, but we’re getting there, this is a small step up the escalatory ladder. We aren’t quite at the level Turkey was though, shooting down VKS jets and Killing Pilots
They just give him a free pass to invade UE. Good Job! So it’s every country for itself or at what point does NATO start defending itself?
I mean after Poland, Germany? Will they do anything or still not
Once they arrived here in France we’ll just start learning Russian I guess