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    Surprised fascist claims anti fascists are wrong and should stop fighting fascism. More news at 11.

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    I think the grand plan is to find somebody who messes up Europe from the inside, so that Americans don’t notice the difference too much.

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    “American Nazi Party Leader Condemns Foreign Government for Classifying Nazis as Nazis”

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      They are certainly not nazis. The Nazis were organized and not lazy. The Nazis actually believed their own bullshit. The Nazis had intelligence and cunning. Trump has none of these things. He is the dumbest laziest dictator the world has ever seen.

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        Don’t believe nazi propaganda about those things. They were largely inefficient and disorganized, they just predated others to fuel their goals. It’s one of the economic reasons for waging war on everyone: once you use up your local stolen wealth, you gotta raid other people’s. Nazi organizational structures were famously broken, with different redundant levels of political control pitted against each other, in line with social darwinist ideas.

        And by far not all Nazis were true believers. Tons were “merely” playing along, because they thought they’d get something out of it. They often did, with the wealth of previously Jewish owned (and other) companies being handed to people close to the leadership.

        These are parallels, not contrasts.

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    lol stfu Rubio. They are a right wing extremist group. Feel free to read the damning evidence over 1000(!!!) pages

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    First France, now Germany. Seems Europe (at least some of us) has decided it won’t sit idly and let far-right extremists burn us to the ground.

    Although these are all provisional fixes. The true solution would be to get the people to ditch these idiots, and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media. Democracy can’t survive if the voting base is too ignorant to choose its leaders.

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      This is not a fix at all in Germany. There are no immediate repercussions of the Verfassungsschutz calling the AfD extremist. There might be more wind in the sails of the politicians that want a motion to ban them, but I’m definitely not holding my breath for it during a Merz administration.

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        I agree, it’s not a fix. However it’s also not just “calling them extremist”. It’s an official classification not just something haphazardly mentioned in a speech.

        The move, announced Friday by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), means that the AfD is no longer merely under suspicion. The agency says it now has definitive evidence that the party works against Germany’s democratic system.

        A 1,000-page internal report, according to German public broadcaster ARD, underpins the decision, citing violations of core constitutional principles such as human dignity and the rule of law.

        The new classification doesn’t ban the party, but it allows German authorities to intensify surveillance, including the use of undercover informants and monitoring communications, under judicial oversight.

        Politico

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        Germany should just ban Xitter. That’s where most of this nazi infection is coming from.

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          No, most of it is coming from BILD and the other traditional media that poisons our public political discourse for decades.

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        It puts some grants for them into question, so less money for the faschs.

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        Hypocrites the lot of them.

        He has said many times there should be term limits on MPs and low and behold he is parachuting into Alberta just like a good little hypocrite does.

        Imagine someone conservative running against him as an independent and winning.

        That would be priceless. Are there any anti fascists conservatives living in the Battle River area?

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      The true solution would be to get the people to ditch these idiots, and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media.

      Agreed. But it seems that the EU is also doing something about that. Just like with AfD, they’ve been dragging their feet for way too long but now something* gave them a jolt.

      We currently have an interesting success story of Die Linke (proper left-wing party) who managed to garner votes by embracing social media and *cough* populism in, what seems to be, a Good Way.

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      we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media

      Find, then degrade, deny and destroy, the sources of the propaganda, and do the same to the conduits.

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      and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media.

      Nope. I mean it’s not wrong to do that, but it would be mistaken to see that as anything but a flanking measure: You can’t fight affect with cognition. We need real-world policy which alleviates people’s anxieties.

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      Yeah you should ban their media, books, speech & lock them up. That’ll teach them about fascism alright.

      On a more serious note, all this decision by Germany does is make groups like AfD stronger.

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        You can’t fight fascism on the marketplace of ideas. The moment you sit at the table to talk, they spring up and punch you in the face.

        Limiting circulation of fake news, holding those who spread it accountable, and forcing social networks to moderate their platform if they want to operate in the EU, should be the priority.

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        “fight disinformation” =/= " ban their media, books, speech & lock them up"

        You really gave that strawman a good beating though.

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        Nobody’s doing this. You’re arguing against your own fantasies.

        They broke the law. You’re arguing for changing the constitution* to let the AfD continue practicing unconstitutional* politics, because you don’t want to make the AfD stronger?

        * “Grundgesetz” - close enough

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    Marco Rubio can eat the peanuts out of my shit.

    With best regards from a hopefully soon fascist-free Germany.

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    Who the fuck is Rubio and why should anyone care what he has to say about anything? It says he’s the us Secretary of State in the us. Meaning he’s about as unqualified to speak up about it as my pup.

    Fuck these dumb idiots who can’t understand the difference between politics and terrorism.

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      He is the secretary of state, Acting Archivist for the National Archives, Interim leader of USAID and most recently National Security Advisor.

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    I was going to say something like “I liked the USA better when it had no clue about foreign politics” but then I realised that maybe that’s just because we weren’t the target before. Is Europe now part of the USA’s definition of Middle East?