French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, February 14, urged calm and restraint after the fatal beating of a 23-year-old French youth aligned with the far-right on the sidelines of a conference by a hard-left lawmaker in the southeastern city of Lyon.
The death of the young man – identified only as Quentin – has intensified tensions between France’s far-right and radical left who are both eyeing 2027 presidential elections.
He had been hospitalized in Lyon on Thursday after being attacked while providing what his supporters said was security for a protest against an appearance by hard-left MEP Rima Hassan at the Lyon branch of the Sciences Po university.
Since when did European media start using Trumps term ‘radical-left’ ?
There is no such thing, this is pure framing by the alt-right!
Trump calls everyone from AOC to Angela Merkel radical leftists.
France has been doing that for LFI for a few years, with Macron pushing Le Pen. Right wing media (most of them) have religiously followed suit, calling them radicals and extremists.
And now, the government just officially defined LFI as “extrême gauche”. And I don’t mean in speeches but legally. This pissed off the real “extrême gauche”, stating that there is a difference between trying to tame capitalism vs abolishing it. But hey all the same to the media and the government: don’t you dare criticizing this magnificent system that keeps us on top and you at the bottom
We’re experiencing a wave of racist attacks and murders and the only thing they talk about is the attack where a fascist was killed.
We don’t even know exactly what happened yet, most of the noise is coming from Nemesis another fascist “feminist” group.Coincidentally, our biggest leftist party was unilaterally labelled “far left” by our ministry of the interior a few days ago. (Le monde used hard left in the article, legally they are a generic leftist party)
Coincidentally also, mayoral elections are in about 4 weeks, with an uptick from said party.
Nothing to see here, France is definitely not sliding towards trumpism and fascism at a blinding speed.
From what I gather there was a group clash of 20+ people and the nazi dudes ran away leaving 1 behind who just got clobbered.
It was right extremists “counter protesting” and the dead guy seems like a professional agitator providing “security service” to right extremists.
Tl;dr: they fucked around and found out.
His supporters say he was providing “security” - we all know the far-right lie 100% of the time, so he probably started a fight and lost his life.
Providing security in the way that Hitler’s people did in the early 30’s.
By showing up in numbers, starting fights, and then claiming to be defending themselves. A tried-and-true Nazi propaganda tactic, and I’m glad the French aren’t standing for it.
It’s “security” to a “counter protest”. We all know what that means. Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Nothing of value was lost
Far right meaning Nazi in this case?
I won’t cry any tears for dead Nazis.
I forget, what is the only good nazi…?
It rhymes with shed I think
The only good nazi is a sled nazi? Crikey, I wish they’d all just die!
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Hey, wait a minute!!!
Unfortunately, optics are incredibly important to win public opinion. As a radical leftist myself, I have little to no compassion for the man who died ; nonetheless I hope this doesn’t start a pattern.
Many people see these things as entirely vibes-based, so if we don’t look like the good guys, to many people that’s enough to decide we aren’t the good guys.
I think the world needs less radical left and more militant left.
We’ve tried talking for the last 80 years or so. Its not working so well. So maybe we need to bring back the violence that defeated fascism last time.
If you’re going to adopt violence, you have to target the exact right people or you just plunge yourself into a long, dumb spiral of public outrage until whatever the organization originally meant to accomplish is lost in the news cycle of violence. People won’t remember what you represented, only what you did. And you can’t fix that with messaging, it’s just not how it works.
I can name a dozen different iconic seditious or rebellious groups in recent history and for every name read, you will see in your mind’s eye terrorism and bombings and violence, not what that group wanted to accomplish or what their goals were.
I get gnashing teeth reminding people of this fact, but Mussolini was not defeated by a plucky band of rebels who dragged him out of his bunker, he was arrested by his own king and government and handed over the opposition. We still need political action or we’re just embracing mindless chaos, we will need politics to both secure an actual victory and we will need politics to deal with the millions of people who didn’t vote for any of your actions but will still live next to us after.
We need less polarisation. The far left and far right are both wrong because the world is a complex place full of nuance.
Personally I consider myself left of centre, but I also find policies that are absolutely core to the left abhorrent. That means I have voted centre right in the past, or centre depending on the situation.
What is absolutely certain is this kid did not deserve to die and the people that did it should JUSTLY face the full force of the law.
“Even if your sainted grandmother is a republican, they are evil and will burn in hell for all eternity.”
- Mike Malloy
I agree. We do have to be quite careful about the optics thing, though. It’s not enough to be on the side of the people, the people also have to feel like you’re on your side.
The right has that part down real good, and we’re getting wrecked in many places because of that fact alone.
Mmh… I think that tribal identification is a basic problem (the us vs their conundrum): the danger is obvious, admit this general simplified view to conform the “only two collectives” and judge them by choiced individuals and not by the root ideas and what they bring, if humans cannot overcome this instinct they will remain ants that follow queens for no good reason…
The problem of course is that, bad as it may be to think this way, people (including me !) absolutely do think this way by default, unless consciously making the effort not to.
Maybe this can be deconstructed, but until then we need a good dose of “Realpolitik” that takes those biases into account, at least if we want to achieve anything concrete.
There is some truth to the “us vs them” between elites and the people, and the current elite is (somehow) very good at making a big part of the people they oppress think that “actually, you’re part of the elite too !”
“Hatred that kills has no place in our country” - Man trying to stop hateful people who want to kill from facing consequences of their actions.
You go Frenchies that is based.
If National Rally were in any position of power, this easily could have become France’s Reichstag Fire moment.
Of course you know that, when that asshole says that, the victim is a right winger.
Emmanuel Papon strikes again
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This keeps happening on Lemmy. What front end did you use to post this comment?
Too many different tabs open lol mb
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Before sending fake news like that, please favt check what you are posting!
