Israel did not have a realistic plan for regime change when it attacked Iran, multiple Israeli security sources have said, with expectations that airstrikes could lead to a popular uprising having been driven by “wishful thinking” rather than hard intelligence.
Iran has survived nearly two weeks of bombing raids and the assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Trump is publicly contemplating ending the increasingly costly war.
If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country.
Funny enough this is what may fuck Trump over big time. Americans have been spoiled by their super low gas prices so the sudden increase is a shock nd he can’t blame it on Biden or his other usual go tos.
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I agree.
Americans’ #1 issue is affordability, and it is the only reason they voted for Donald. He thought he had a mandate to rebrand and rebuild the Gestapo. He thought he had a mandate to dismantle the government.
No, Americans were tired of being priced out of their lives for the last four years, hated Democrats for doing nothing about it, and believed his lies about making America an affordable place to live again.
Ironically, not even the SAVE Act will be able to save him. Tens of millions of Americans are already working multiple jobs and 100 hours a week just to overpay for their rent on a roach-infested studio. The mid-terms are going to be an absolute bloodbath for Republicans. (Though most of the Democrats we elect won’t do anything to make America affordable either.)
What could Democrats do to make America affordable? They can’t clear a veto proof majority in the Senate, even with a blue wave exceeding all expectations. So that just means nobody can pass anything anymore.
As a former political strategist: You flood the zone with good bills. Give them so many that the propaganda machine cannot knock them all down. You can go as far left as you want with it, so long as it works and works quickly (w/in 12-18 mos.)
Dare Trump to veto free childcare or money for struggling families. Dare the Republicans to vote against the SAVE MAIN STREET act. Make them vote against the SAVE RURAL AMERICA ACT.
We’ll get some wins for people, and we’ll make these bastards own their dumbfuck regressive nonsense policies.
Thanks for a good answer!
The same shit Donald is doing. In reverse.
Amazing you’ve seen Donald accomplish so much with almost no congressional participation and you’ll still argue Dems are powerless, and probably will again when President Newsom lets affordability get even worse.
Ah, I thought you were talking about midterms.
In a lot of ways you can blame Americans intolerance for rises in gas prices for the situation we’re in. Hard to imagine Trump being possible without Reagan, and while there’s lots of factors to his victory in 80 to hear my older family members in Georgia tell it that was what made them flip on the native son who for most was the only democrat they ever voted for
Oh yes, the highly enriched uranium that they only started stockpiling after Trump threw away the deal Obama made with them. The same uranium they offered to give back during the talks, Kushner and Wickoff didn’t bring a nuclear specialist in for . And now because of these rich assholes thinking they can do whatever they hell they want a ton of innocent people are gonna die.
a ton of innocent people
are gonna diehave already died and thousands more will followUntil the poorly behaving wealthy see real consequences in real life for their actions, they will never stop.
Shame and ridicule is useless. They are immune.
True. But the IRGc slaughtered 40,000+ innocent civilians from their own Country.
Justifiable interventional response
EDIT: Yes, there are humanitarian and international law violations occurring in many countries. I oppose those as well. However, I’m not the one making decisions about when or where interventions occur, nor am I a commander-in-chief directing military action.
The bottom line is that many people agree the IRGC are a leading global sponsor of terrorism and have committed serious humanitarian crimes against their own people and others. Allowing such a regime to acquire nuclear weapons is something the international community should take seriously. This isn’t Iraq.
If nothing is done and, in ten years, they possess large numbers of nuclear-capable warheads with global reach, people will inevitably ask why the world stood by and allowed it to happen. By that point, the options available to stop them would be far more dangerous and destabilizing than addressing the threat now. Diplomacy has been attempted for decades, IRGC have demonstrated it won’t agree to anything preventing acquisition of Nuclear capable weapons.
Oof that is some pretty shitty reasoning. The US, just with the war on drugs for instance. The peak was over one hundred thousand people dead in 2023 alone. Every single death is preventable, but the US continues to choose to attack the poor and minorities instead of engaging in harm reduction.
Then consider deaths to gun violence. We have lost 1.5 million citizens in the last 30 years. More than every single US soldier lost in every single war we have fought.
Should other nations use this as a pretext to invade the U$ to free its oppressed population?
You’re comparing social crises to state-directed mass killing. Those aren’t equivalent under international law or humanitarian doctrine. The threshold people talk about for intervention is typically genocide, ethnic cleansing, or large-scale state violence against civilians.
Social problems like drug overdoses and gun violence are not the same as a government slaughtering civilians. Conflating the two is a false equivalence.
The war on drugs is the very definition of large scale state directed killing. Need I remind you that the real reason the War on Drugs started was to go after minorities. Over a million families destroyed by the war on drugs but not a big deal.
Not only that, but the CIA created the crack epidemic and US drug manufacturers created the opioid epidemic.
Harmful policy and deliberate mass killing are not the same thing.
The War on Drugs has caused real damage, but comparing incarceration and social harm to governments intentionally slaughtering civilians is exactly the kind of false equivalence that makes serious discussions impossible.
I am thinking you are ignorant of history.
https://lawrepository.ualr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2106&context=lawreview
The War on Drugs was a purposeful attack on minorities. You can’t whitewash the truth away. We attacked our fellow citizens to appease racists.
The results speak for themselves. Millions of lives lost and you hand waiving it away. You don’t get to do this. You don’t get to ignore the militarization and invasion of our police forces. You don’t get to decide that these people don’t matter.
The War on Drugs absolutely caused serious harm and disproportionately impacted minority communities. That’s widely documented. But acknowledging that doesn’t make it equivalent to governments intentionally killing civilians. Harmful policy and discriminatory enforcement are not the same thing as deliberate mass slaughter. Conflating those two things is exactly the kind of false equivalence that derails serious discussion.
Are you actually arguing that the War on Drugs is equivalent to governments intentionally slaughtering their own civilians?Because acknowledging that the policy caused harm and was discriminatory doesn’t make it the same category of wrongdoing as deliberate mass killing.
You know, every case you named isn’t slaughtering civilian protestors in the streets, but societal and statistic issues instead of deliberate action?
These are problems purposely created by the government. The War on Drugs was literally a way to go after minorites. The government defunded research into gun violence.
Trying to normalize this loss of life shows how depraved you are.
Those are serious domestic policy failures and they absolutely deserve criticism. But they’re still not the same thing as a government deliberately carrying out mass violence against civilians or supporting armed groups abroad.
Recognizing that distinction isn’t “normalizing” loss of life, it’s acknowledging that different problems require different responses.
Not the same thing even when the government is purposely doing it like the War on Drugs. Arming police like the military and attacking people in their homes. Clearly we have different ideas of what is mass violence. It is okay for our government to do it, but not theirs.
You need to understand both of these things are bad. they aren’t mutually exclusive.
No. You being unable to see the difference between gunning down someone and for example speeding is pretty disturbing.
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So the US government can actively kill people and destroys millions of families and your are fine with it? What about the 4000+ children that died by firearms this last year. It is now the number one killer of children.
Do you know how many children were killed in Iran by guns before the US showed up!? Fucking zero.
Millions of Americans dead and you could give a shit. Stop pretending you care about Iranians.
You’re putting words in people’s mouths. No one said they’re “fine with” deaths in the U.S. Those are serious issues and they absolutely deserve attention and policy solutions.
The point being made was simply that domestic social problems and state-directed violence or terrorism are different categories under international law. Acknowledging that distinction doesn’t mean someone doesn’t care about both.
Both can be bad at the same time. Recognizing that isn’t controversial.
No. But you are just being accusatory and willfully misunderstanding my point.
So when are you shipping off to Sudan? If you’re so keen on international intervention of domestic killing, Sudan is in much worse shape than Iran.
I didn’t choose the military as my line of work. If I had and was sent somewhere to intervene, I would accept that responsibility.
I support intervention when humanitarian law is being severely violated, but I don’t make the decisions on where those interventions happen.
I chose healthcare instead, and I help Canadians every day.
Very believable and not fake at all.
Can we even trust those numbers at this point?
Yes, there is a reason the Iranians didn’t get their Internet privileges since January. If it wasn’t as bad as the world thought you might not restrict information access so badly.
Where are the millions of Iranian refugees then? They’re not caged prisoners like the Gazans are. You don’t kill that many people in a short time and not have people trying to flee en mass. If it were true then Iran would be falling apart in a civil war.
Fuck off with these obvious lies. Blood thirsty fuckers.
Because there is war there are millions of Iranian refugees.
News/information spread was suppressed and the Iranian regime routinely crushes protests violently. Hence I would guess the fallout was somewhat limited. Also the 40 day period is up. So protests would have likely reignited at the point of the invasion.
Just because facts don’t fit your world view doesn’t mean other people are bloodthirsty for saying that the Iranian regime had many thousands killed in the streets.
Ah but you have changed the regime. You’ve switched out one that was sorta kinda meh passively loathing you for one that is now for sure actively hating you and seeking your destruction!
Suffering from success?
Passively loathing? Iran arms and finances Hezbollah and the Houthis. During the last couple of years Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis attacked Israel pretty directly, attacking their civilian infrastructure. Hundreds of thousand of Israelis had to flee from the north of Israel to escape.
Iran‘s leaders have actively worked towards Israel‘s destruction for decades.
Israel started this war purely to derail peace/nuclear negotiations between US and Iran (twice in 9 months). Killing Ayatolah, and school girls ffs, was a purposeful act to unite Iran to commit to fight. Bombing Tehran oil depots was purposeful act to have Iran retaliate against GCC oil assets. Some Iranian reported attacks on GCC are accused as coming from Israel.
Israel only wants a destroyed chaotic Iran that is incapable of opposing its genocide and greater expansion. GCC turning against the US is perfect if the US helps fight its GCC allies for greater Israel. Never assume that Israel doesn’t want the biggest bugaboo monster leading its enemy regimes, or take seriously any “Israel distraction debate/opposition” that peace was ever its goal.
Some things that have slipped out this week is that “US was planning this for months”. Rubio and Hegseth are demonically possessed to serve Israel, and it is Trump’s entire political capital, despite the massive direct bribes from GCC. They were planning only amongst those 3, but planning on how to best serve Netanyahu. It wasn’t a pentagon/security council expert plan.
War can be going to Israel’s plan, without pretending that there was something other than a maximally evil plan.
Yeah.
We noticed.
They’re literally just improvising this war, because the point is to create chaos in Iran and they don’t care how bad it gets. These bastards want another Sudan.
Because they don’t want to “win”…
Bibi and trump both, they don’t want a victory, they want a forever war they can use as justification to cancel elections.
Look at the people responsible for stopping terror attacks, they’re trying to make one happen thru sheer incompetence if nothing else. trump is desperate for some type of “attack on America” because he expects a 9/11 style bump in approval, when it’s likely to be the opposite reaction if it happens.
vibe bombing
I’m sorry…“we”!?
Because the plan was to distract from the files.
‘Vibe warring’
They’re just winging it
The Israel/US plan was to kill the Ayatollah and Iran state would collapse without a supreme leader.
Iran’s plan to martyr the Ayatollah and fight asymmetrically with decentralized leadership.
Iran’s plan is better than the Israel/US plan.
Maybe they should have learned from Lt Gen Van Riper instead of giving each other celebratory blowjobs of winning a rigged war game.
The leaders of Israel and the US both operate under the principles of personal rule, where the individual personal relation to the person in charge is what defines the political structure.
Iran, as many modern states (including, for the most part, the US) seems to mostly operate as an institutionalist government, where it’s the institutional role a given person takes that defines their relation to other roles within that system, independently of the persons occupying them (for better or for worse).
If you kill the leader, another person will assume that role, and whoever deferred to the previous leader will (usually) defer to the new leader as well.Of course there is always a personal element to it and these options aren’t a strict binary (just like , but part of the reason even Trump’s most insane orders are obeyed is because the people obeying them obey the president rather than just a given person. That obedience is, in this case, both critical to the system functioning at all and a major issue if the president is a maniac.
The personal factor here comes in when the other offices supposed to check the president refuse to for personal reasons, which is why Trump can hold a de facto personalist regime, but it’s also why he attempts to undermine all institutional elements to cement that personalist character.
The regime change is happening on US soil. The ultimate conservative wet dream: The American government is being privatized.
Yeah I remember how immediately after that strike hit that facility the reptiles in the media started hissing that "ohhh thisss is not over! ssssssss but the uranium issssss technically sssstill in Iran so war musssst go on! sssssss! haha humans are ssssso sssstupid"
Iran might have been in the signal chats. I’m gonna take them at their word.
No shit homie?
