The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.
All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
Isn’t Huawei already banned?
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
He is talking about ISP grade hw.
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.
Seriously though, they’ll block yalls internet access in a few years.
The Great Firewall of
ChinaFREEDOMGlad Australia is finally getting some decent fiber links up through Singapore.
SEA-ME-WE3 is a joke and before IndigoWest and ASC, almost all of our international transit was via US.
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don’t, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.
We’ve seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
It’s incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.
It’s really amazing how this country just ran on word and vibes up to this point. Turns out you could just do whatever and nobody would have the cajones to stop you
Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
The fascists always attack free speech, and our first amendment rights have been under attack from many directions.
They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
To track online activities.
To ensure nobody is doing anything the government (or its corporate funders) don’t like.
Look at the Project2025 manifesto and see how much they want people’s activities to be controlled.
So… all network routers?
I’m so glad they’re focusing on this instead of how shitty and expensive our home internet is.
Mandatory Triple play packages by xfinity is coming BACK! Yay… I forgot what it was like to over pay for my internet with 2 additional services I don’t want. Can’t wait.
/s
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
If I were a network packet, I would get very confused by so much routing.
You need to start a museum lol
designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk
So this is horseshit, right?
First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.
Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers’ security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?
Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS’s. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse (“protect the kiddies”, “law enforcement”, “national security”, “terrorism”), force them to not tell the public, and then “secretly” monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.
Fuck these fascists.
I find it unlikely to be about security. Either it is about control or about money (pressure to induce bribery for lifting), or a combination of both.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies. However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies.
I think there’s a little bit of space between “spy agencies employ systems professionals that know the guts of a component’s security and tricks to bypass it” and “every device firmware has a double super secret protocol for sidestepping all of its security features”.
However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
Sure. I’m willing to believe that Cisco, specifically, has relationships with the Five Eyes network such that they make monitoring their traffic easier. Even then, there’s limits. One thing to say techniques exist to bypass security. Another entirely to know what those techniques are and whether they’re practical for application at universal scale.
One of the more chronic problems that big spy agencies have is sifting through all the spam and bullshit and empty chatter. Decryption takes time. And you can’t monitor everything, everywhere, all at once. The bigger sins of Cisco are in how they expedite access on behalf of their agency partners, not that they fail to produce perfectly hack-proof hardware.
I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell
This is a good time to remind everyone to avoid any of the major manufacturers. Get pre-built OPEN boxes and install OpenWRT. You performance and capabilities will beat the shit out of any of the other stuff anyway.
Sadly, there were a few great foreign-made manufacturers who had great hardware for this. Technically they aren’t “network routers” and just blank hardware, so probably don’t fall into the idiotic language put forth here.
Can’t believe this isn’t the top comment.
I’ve got a GLiNet router with OpenWRT, running adguard on it. Best router experience I’ve ever had. I wonder how quick this ruling takes effect, might be smart to buy another while I can lol
YUP. I’ve deployed hundreds of these. They make good hardware, their developers and hardware engineers are quick to respond to customers, and they just make a good product. They even share their board designs, because why not?
Sucks they’re going to be caught in the crossfire here.
I don’t think there was a lot of research into where these things come from to begin with.
What a surprise.
Could not be happier to have a UDM pro right now.
