• azimir@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    This whole debacle was a rousing success. The question is for whom. It wasn’t a victory for the US citizens writ large. It wasn’t a win for any NATO allies. It wasn’t a win for the vast majority of the people in the world.

    There’s a few people/groups we can assume did win:

    • The wealthy: they were given insider trading info and made billions
    • Iran’s leadership: they have come out regionally stronger
    • Israel’s government: they got to genocide more Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians, and Gazans under the cover of a regional war.
    • The inside circle in the executive branch that weren’t outright fired

    It’s mostly an insider trading game at the expense of lives, money, and the US’ sitting on the geopolitical stage. This is all part of the smash and grab stage of this presidency.

  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said according to state media.

    Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.

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      That is a huge issue today… American state media and Iran state media are basically guaranteed to be lying.

      If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.

      I guess we MAY see what actually happened based on what reality displays

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      My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.

    • Skyrmir@lemmy.world
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      To a degree it’s already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they’d have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.

      The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won’t happen in full.

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        3 days ago

        Don’t know if its true or not but I heard a lot of the bases have been bombed into oblivion at this point.

    • Scubus@sh.itjust.works
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      Not really concerned about the sanctions, no one should be doing buisness with the US or US affiliated countries anyways, but the US withdrawing would be really swell.

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      3 days ago

      Yeah. Dummies hate Trump so much they blindly believe and support anybody in opposition to him.

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    No other nation on this planet could be harming America more than Donald Trump and the Republican party.

    They are traitors. Plain and simple. They are our enemy.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    i thought Iran cancelled this ceasefire and the Straits of Hormuz are closed again, because the shithead Israelis bombed and murdered more Lebanese.

  • CurbCuts@lemmy.ca
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    “United States to accept in principle its 10-point plan”

    The “in principle” is importent here. Saying Iran won at this point is like saying you got a good deal before you finish haggling the price. Plus one of the points relies on Israel stopping it’s attacks on Lebanon. Unless the US is willing to force Israel to stop, I doubt they will. Israel says" the ceasfire dosn’t apply to Lebanon".

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    This is the best possible outcome, and humiliating for the USA

    … it’s too good to be true, in my opinion

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    Went about as well as one would expect when a war is run by two massively-unqualified TV show hosts who paid smarter people to write their term papers.

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    My prediction is that it’ll come out that the Trump Administration was negotiating with Ahmed Chalabi the whole time.