“permanently” means nothing when it comes to technology
“Permanently” lol it’s a subscription and the terms say they can change the price at any time. How is it legal for them to advertise with the word “permanent”?
60% of the time it works every time
lol it’s a subscription
It’s actually API access price, and it’s charged per input + output tokens. $0.87 per million tokens is damn cheap.
They probably have super cheap electricity and it’s possible they use cheap Chinese Ai chips for inference.
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I think it’s meant to convey that it’s not a temporary deal on the old price, but a permanent new price point.
What is the effective difference? It’s not like they’re offering long term contracts.
Prices are funny. My last job we were changing clients extra for doing a thing that didn’t cost us anything and was fast to do. How much we charged was completely arbitrary and depended on the partners mood. It’s all made up folks.
Yeah, which is why the “if minimum wage increases, so will prices” aregument is BS. They were going to charge the highest price they thought they could either way, the difference is that they are forced to increase the amount that goes to the people they are trying to pay the least.
There is an element of minimum wage increasing, increasing prices because now there are more people that can afford to pay for things.
But yes it isn’t because costs go up, and it really only applies to things people on minimum wage can afford and it’s always less than the increase in wages.
This would impact the companies pnl though, so shareholders and c suite will get less money. That’s why they’re scaring people into not wanting to increase wage.
The hilarious irony is that is not even conclusive. There are plenty of studies, both real-world and contrived, that indicate that employers paying more, in broad, yields returns in excess of the added payroll costs.
Not only are there more customers, but increasing pay increases the quality and quantity of labor output.
It’s not BS, it’s just not as direct of an impact as they are implying. If payroll is 10% of their expenses (assuming EVERYONE makes minimum wage) then doubling the minimum wage will increase costs by 10%.
Which could be (partially) absorbed from profits, could cause a 10% price hike… or a 50% price hike and fat bonuses for the executives.
it’s a reminder that capitalists put profit over literally everything else. your cost. your wage. everything.
So it depends on willingness to pay, not cost
All numbers in AI are made up it’s wild to see tankies glaze DeepSeek’s fake numbers while being skeptical of Western corporations’ numbers
Not glazing when its simply enjoying watching China beat the US at its own game
But the numbers are fake, so it really doesn’t mean much to reduce a fake number by 75%, it isn’t an indicator that DeepSeek is beating anyone at anything.
Cost to end consumer is not a fake number.
What does that number meaningful represent as DeepSeek doing well?
They can afford to lose more money on this? They have lower operating costs? They have a better way to make money of their users?
It could indicate any/all/none of theses
What does that number meaningful represent as DeepSeek doing well? I don’t understand the question
They can afford to lose more money on this? Yes They have lower operating costs? Yes They have a better way to make money of their users? They are not as profit motivated as their competition
I don’t think you understand Deepseek’s role in the market. It’s to intentionally undercut US providers.
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What do you mean by the numbers are fake? Are you saying the worth is over inflated? If that’s the case, of course it is, none too different than virtually any other commodity.
What does that number meaningful represent as DeepSeek doing well?
They can afford to lose more money on this? They have lower operating costs? They have a better way to make money of their users?
It could indicate any/all/none of theses
All I see is good and cheap model. It doesn’t even have to be perfect, just in ballpark of mainstream models.
Them cutting consumer prices doesn’t show that though.
It’s wild that people normally critical of AI boosting will drink Koolaid if it’s China flavored
If someone beats up your bully you have sympathy for them, regardless of the reasons why they beat them.
Most people don’t care about Tiananmen square and politics. And cheap =/= bad. It’s a fallacy
WTH are you on about?
Does being a tankie cause brain damage?
What Tankie brain damage? I use tools that do the job at low cost.
Are they eating the cost? How are they able to do it while others are unable to?
easy: users pay the difference with their data
DeepSeek never said it was permanent in their pricing materials, the article writer did. They are just taking the current expiration date off an existing discount. It’s absolutely a shot across the bow at Claude, OpenAI, et al., but the author was click-baiting, as is tradition.
No?
The deepseek-v4-pro model API pricing will be officially adjusted to 1/4 of the original price after the 75% discount promotion ends on 2026/05/31 15:59 UTC.
Matter of Interpretation. It’s not a time-limited discount anymore so it’s “permanent” in that sense, but there’s no commitment to not again raise the price later.
Thank you daddy Xi
I just stumbled upon game Jesus asking some on the same questions.
He makes some good points about IP not being very sacrosanct in China. It sounds like it’s not really a crime to buy and use these chips within China.
The difference in view over intellectual property is sort of fascinating if you think about it. Communism I guess.
Anyway, the real treat here is seeing the guy from Gamer’s Nexus go meet and investigate. He literally followed the source and may have learned another language to do so?
It’s kinda wild.
I’m unfamiliar with AI chatbots that you pay for. What is a token?
In very simple terms, a token is more or less a word. You pay per input and output tokens (your prompts and the answers) as they correlate the most closely to the energy expended by the LLM to process your request.
No wonder. Since deepseek has open license, they have to compete with 3rd party providers, and in case of smallest models with local generation.
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