• [object Object]@lemmy.ca
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    14 days ago

    To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war, complete with reparations from the US.

    I’m sure Israel will blow this deal up though.

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      14 days ago

      Iran won the war when they dint bend like venezuela did in the first hours of this nonsensical operation. There is nothing the USA can win out of this confict, they are just losing power everywhere…

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        14 days ago

        No, the people of Iran are between a rock and a hard place.

        But I think people can maintain a cause in defence of themselves longer than the US can maintain their offensive.

        The US just hit critically low oil levels where it’s impossible to continue depleting them. They’ve reached low enough levels using pipelines are threatened by being able to maintain pressure.

        The US now has to decide if they want to lose internal oil transport and shut down infrastructure. All right before midterms.

    • rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works
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      14 days ago

      To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war

      The war is won by either side only when Iran inflicts a permanent defeat on its enemies, or it ceases to be a functional state. Any deal in between, if it even goes through, will only postpone the resumption of the war, as it has been for what, about the last 45 years.

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    14 days ago

    American here. I haven’t heard the claims, but they’re likely true if Trump is upset.

    Did you guys know he raped kids?

    Yeah, there’s these things called the Epstein files. They’re pretty shocking, but his followers care more about what’s in all our fucking pants. Just like him, they’re also perverts. They want to see our genetalia before we enter bathrooms. Sick fucks.

  • rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    According to leaks to Iranian media the draft includes a reconstruction which will result in Tehran receiving $300 billion to rebuild its cities. Also included will be the release of $24 billion in blocked Iranian funds, half of which must be paid to Iran before fresh talks start.

    Damn, that’s an Israeli level supply of foreign aid.

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      14 days ago

      If the leaked details are remotely accurate (they’re consistent with previous leaked drafts, so they do sound credible) this is a total capitulation on the part of the United States.

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      14 days ago

      I wouldn’t consider it a win if they get paid merely the damages caused - they did lose lives after all. But also, if true, Magastan didn’t win anything.

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    It is impossible to verify the draft agreement, which the Mirror has been given, because it could be a Tehran bid to combat the lies about settlements uttered by Trump.

    Even the mirror is calling all sides as lacking credibility, fucking hell if that’s not an indication of how fucked this whole situation is…

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    The president keeps straight up lying and saying the deal covers the nuclear issue, even as Iran says it doesn’t.

    This deal won’t hold even if it’s reached. As if our president could say no to Israel when they restart hostilities. This thing won’t end, it just remains to be seen if Iran is willing to accept lebanon being turned into gaza and attacks against Iran and their people while still keeping the straits open.

    This will go on forever, peace deal or no.

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        13 days ago

        Don’t be so sure. Trump has tipped the US’s hand and shown them to be weak as piss. It’s going to be pretty hard to walk back from here now since Trump has ruined all the soft power the US had around the world, and now we all know the military aren’t up to the task either the US will no longer hold a position of power at the negotiating table. Trump has completely and utterly fucked the US globally.

        Can you imagine Iran embarrassing the US weekly in the 1970s? They wouldn’t have dared. But now most of the world is laughing with them as we watch Trump shart himself to death.

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    Haha he’s so used to his deals being unknown so he probably can’t accept one less than Obama’s previous deal since itll be public. Hard to spin the cash they’re giving them when numbers are known.

    This is your bed you lay in it, unfortunately a position Trump will never accept. Mean hopefully he does for everyone else but that alone means nothing for Trump…the great deal maker, the bastion of making a deal, apparently he made an art of it or something by being the best bullshitter.

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    The article says solving the nuclear issue is not realistic in 60 days, I think it is. Trump will propose to reinstate what Obama obtained, with his name sharpied over.

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      Iran will never accept those terms today. That ship sailed when USA attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations.
      And now Iran has found out their negotiation position is way better than they thought before Israel ans USA attacked them.

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        It does largely appear to be their ballgame, but the US seems quite content to utterly collapse states in the Middle East lately.

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          13 days ago

          Yes, this is an absolute shitshow, and USA is probably the biggest loser in all of this. Not Trump, he is raking in money on insider trading and corruption, but USA and average Americans are losing a lot of money on higher oil prices.

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      13 days ago

      Dissonance has never been an issue for the American right, but it’s going to be harder for Iran or Israel to accept that.

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    14 days ago

    Ani said it best, “Get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand 
    Of someone else’s desert 
    Put it back in its pants 
    And quit the hypocritical chants of 
    Freedom forever”

    • Self Evident
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    14 days ago

    The thing I wanna know is how many israeli’s are doing the Anne Frank thing with palestinian families. You know: hiding them in the basement and feeding them.

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      13 days ago

      Probably not too many since the Israeli army is invading its neighbours…not too many Israelis live in Lebanon , yet

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      they only do it if the palestinian is a child. and they only do it because in israel, it’s neither pedophilia or rape, to rape a palestinian child.