• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    For the people who didn’t read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump’s comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.

    Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.

    This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn’t want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don’t want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;

    1. Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
    2. Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
    3. Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

    As I’ve noted elsewhere, this war isn’t remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC’s iron grip on US politics is the main event.

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        Annoyingly, it’s technically accurate, but extremely misleading.

        If I say my friend died after eating at Arby’s, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn’t die before eating at Arby’s. But there’s an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.

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        Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they’ll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they’re leaning, at least for now.

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          I had thought all this time that he and others had never even publicly entertained the idea of breaking with Israel on policy due to a combination of a steady stream of bribes and a dossier of compromising information on many prominent figures with the implicit threat of intentional leak.

          I guess we might be about to see if that was true!

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    I’d unconditionally surrender if I had to change nothing and receive 300 billion.

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    This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:

    In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.

    Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: “I haven’t learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits.”

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    Tehran Surrender

    Wrong.

    Unconditional

    Also wrong.

    Conditional US Surrender

    There it is.

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      He promised unconditional surrender, the media is saying he did not deliver that, and he looks like a bitch, which he is, and so now is just guiding his sheep and trolls and thralls to pretend he won so he doesn’t look like a bitch.

      He’s not fooling anyone outside the flock though. President dickhead is a bitch. He’s Israel’s bitch.

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    Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’

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    Negotiations between the US and Iran in Switzerland were cancelled after clashes between Israel and Hezbollah - before a renewed ceasefire was announced in Lebanon

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    This war isn’t over. It will be on and off intermittently for years, in the meantime the United States will continue its “Pivot to Asia” policy. Right now they are fomenting color revolution in Indonesia with the intent of securing the Straight of Malacca. Also creating chaos between Cambodia and Thailand. They have converted the USMC to an interdiction force that will be used to hijack oil tankers and other vessels on the open seas. This is all part of a wider ranging plan to choke off China’s flow of resources with the ultimate intent of quelling China’s ascent and possibly direct military confrontation down the road.