I mean, you didn’t address anything i said. You don’t understand what “real wars” are. Afghanistan was not a war and there was no way to win, hence any comparison you use to it is rediculous.

What are those drones or those defenses going to do about an naval artillery bombardment? Not high tech missiles, just straight shells hundreds of miles away?

I’m not a fan of either nation at the moment. You are just romanticizing anti America sentiment, which, you do you boo, I disluke them at the moment too.

I’m also going to ignore the Afghanistan in worse shape sentiment. If you think women shouldn’t go to school, be heard or be seen, you are not even worth having a discussion with.

“but America has dug such a hole that not a single other country is coming to their aid.” I mean, we are their with Israel. Not that I like them out agree with what they are doing. But that is a single other country.

" Hopefully you and or your kids are not within a draft able age, because it’s most likely coming if you see what they’re doing with increasing the age of eligibility."

This conflict with Iran would not require a draft by any means. Why would you think it would? Iran reportedly has 610k active duty personnel, while America has 1.33-1.34 million active duty personnel. With the arguable American military tech advantage, if this went to a real war, how? How do you think Iran would destroy them?

Say what you will, Afghanistan wasn’t a “real war” either.

I’m not going to say if we would win or lose in Iran. Again I DONT want to be their. The other major American losses you are mentioning were before the beast that is the American military became a large portion of our spending. The American military industrial complex largely came about in the past 50 years.

When the American military has a uniformed enemy and a target to destroy/apprehend we are one of the best military powers in the world.

Iran for SURE would have home field advantage. But if we went to war home field advantage wouldn’t mean much when we can park our destroyers in your pond, deploy a defense garrison on the ground to protect them and shell the country’s military emplacements to smithereens. Send troops in helos as fast surgical attacks.

The last military operation that we partook in that was a war action and not a peace keeping action to my recollection was operation desert storm. right/wrong or indifferent about being their we know how to do fast attacks against uniformed military. And that is why you didn’t see uniformed enemies fighting in Afghanistan. They used gorilla tactics quite well against us and we didn’t have an answer.

I’m going to be downvoted i know it. I don’t want to be in Iran, I don’t know why we are there.

But, what we are doing on Iran is not even close to a conventional/real war. If Orange Cheeto in charge hasn’t already done to much damage to our military by forcing the good commanders out, and we went to “real war” with Iran, boots on the ground and all. We wouldn’t be losing these planes. But at the moment we are hanging the planes/fighters out to dry with little to no support. So yes, they are going to get shot down. But you can’t call this a “real war”