I know. I was not prepared for a .world community to demand and not oppose that way of thinking.

Ironic. Venice was commissioned by people like Bezos

Fine with me.

People can come together and build big things without elites, kings or bosses sitting down and telling everyone what to do. Just because societies that greatly limit the power of the elites no longer exist, having been crushed, doesn’t mean they don’t work.

Could. Hating Bezos instead of coming together and start building is the mental trap I try to point out in my other comments that is not accepted. Right now people need commissioning if they keep thinking the way they think, and they don’t want to hear it.

There are pockets that work, like Wikipedia or Burning Man. But they grew slowly and are not blueprints to get other projects done.

By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.

If you don’t see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.

You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

Did slave owners build Venice? No.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

Rich Romans? Also no.

This is further supported by documentation on the so-called “apostolic families”, the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

Bezos doesn’t come from a rich family

Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn’t look that bad.

Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should’t build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market. That’s what drives competition and brings prices down. Of course, employees and customers need other options for this to be fair.

Unless you organize a cooperating economy, maximizing value extraction is inevitable.

Besides, you shouldn’t ignore the work he does.

Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.

Don’t diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.

Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn’t justified when looking at the criticism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.

Ironic. Venice was built by people like Bezos.

Much of it is from Iran and destined for China. They won’t stop those exports.

Thank you.

Where are those informations diskussed? If the information was out in March then Lemmy as a whole is not good at filtering the relevant news.

Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.

How can any change happen if there is only a limited willingness to perveive reality and analyze it?

If only Musk would use LSD or whichever drug helps to resolve those issues instead of ketamine.

For those attacks the size doesn’t matter but the willingness of breaking the law. My size argument is that the USA and China will clash. Europe will engage Russia when that happens.

Thank you for your insightful feedback. Have a great WE, too.

So you’re genuinely advocating breaking international law?

No, I just believe that the EU will break the law and attack, like members already did in Libya and Iraq.

I can also say that I was not the one talking about fantasies.

Edit and yes, there is a need to wait for Ukraine EU membership

Is there a reason for that? UN article 51 seems to allow support of other countries if they are attacked.

Too simple for an explanation, they are not stupid.

Ukraine soldiers are trained for 3 months. There can’t be much infrastructure needed for an attack since the battle is on enemy territory when it starts.

Also, surely you’re aware that wars of aggression are banned in international law?

Iraq, Libya and others. At worst we call it a special military operation in support of Ukraine.

That’s why we need to get Ukraine to the EU, so that then it’s not a war of aggression, but honoring the mutual defense clause.

I guess there is no need to wait for EU membership to help a country in need.

Oh and, in which country’s military forces would you be participating in this attack fantasy?

None. After these comments at most they will use me for medical support.

So the laws won’t protect the children. Then why do those laws exist?

That’s why the new weapons are needed, to prepare for an attack.

Why else would Europe need those weapons? Russia has problems fighting Ukraine. How could they fight Europe?

Btw, I say we because any serious war will use the entire population, like Ukraine.

A European attack is prevented by critical voices from within Europe. If those voices are removed we will attack despite the threat of nuclear bombs.

By presenting an arbitrary other motivation, which implies that there is no obvious motivation.

Yet why does my reasoning not make sense? We fought in Libya. Everybody hates Russia and would be eager to fight if Russia didn’t have nuclear bombs. Remove the critical voices and we are ready to go.

It could be. So you agree that the surveillance laws don’t make much sense?