I personally have gone for Manjaro

Why would anyone intentionally do that?

The whole Manjaro concept of delaying Arch updates by two weeks is bullshit, because they don’t actually use that time for additional tests or include fixes. They just ship exactly the same bugs 2 weeks later.

On top of this where Arch explicitly warns users about the AUR as unvetted community content and only lets you install AUR helpers manually (increasing the chance that people see the warning and think twice) Manjaro comes with their own AUR helper pre-installed. No warning, no nothing. Oh, and they use the unmodified AUR which is running under the assumption that you have an updated Arch system, not one weeks out-of-date. So welcome to breakages and dependency hell.

Said Manjaro-specific AUR helper also has ddos’ed the AUR on multiple occasions because they don’t seem to believe in testing.

Have I mentioned the –by now meme-worthy– fact that they are too stupid to not let their SSL certificates expire and unironically proposed setting your PC’s clock/date back as a solution?

With the advent of endeavor and cachy, I would argue there’s zero point to using Manjaro. If you like the arch style and figure on reading updates to ensure things don’t break, might as well be on a distro that’s just arch nicely preconfigured with a nice installer.

Manjaro adds another later of complexity to that by holding some updates back for reasons, that as far as I’ve seen doesn’t really do much in the way of helping stability.

manjaro had a lot of issues with stuff as basic as their certificate.

i wouldn’t trust them over endeavour or cachy and i’ve personally had a good experience on both of these.

because of the better supported and newer nvidia drivers as well as automatic hardware detection

What?

I don’t understand why arch users always say this… It’s still Linux? You can install nvidia drivers on debian or fedora, and most of the rest are baked into the kernel (most of the time), so I don’t get this.

most recommended was debian and debian based. But I for myself(Even though the post says otherwise) now chose to use an arch based distro

Why are you asking our opinion on the matter since you clearly have made up your mind already?

because of the better supported and newer nvidia drivers

Newer doesn’t necessarily mean better, there’s a reason other d’Ístria delay packages and it has to do with compatibility and finding early bugs.

as well as automatic hardware detection.

What? Debian based distros have automatic hardware detection, Arch expects you to know your hardware and install things accordingly. Hell, almost nothing in Arch is automatic.

So I wanted to hear some experiences of you, that you may have had in the past considering EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Manjaro and Arch itself.

I used Arch as my main distro for over 15 years, it’s a great distro it has a lot of advantages in my book and it’s still the distro I feel most at home with. But it’s definitely NOT beginner friendly, you’ll get the latest packages with the latest bugs and incompatibilities, sure you might get the latest performance gains, but that’s when you’re not facing the latest regressions in performance or in compatibility.

Don’t get me wrong, I still love Arch and have it on some of my systems, but it’s something that you have to know how to deal with.

I personally have gone for Manjaro now

If you must use Arch go with plain Arch. Manjaro and others essentially give you a pretty GUI installer, nothing more, and they cost you the customization of building your system from the ground up and knowing how to rebuild and fix if things go wrong for whatever reason (plus every Arch community will first ask what distro you’re running, and if it’s not pure Arch they won’t even look at your post). Also worth mentioning, AUR packages are built for Arch, they might work on Manjaro or Cachy, but they might also not due to the slight version variations.

In short, I think Arch is a great system, but it has some difficulties attached to it that could potentially make it a problem for someone that wants something that “just works”, which is what most new users want, whether they admit it or not.

automatic hardware detection

I don’t understand that point at all. How is Arch different in that regard & I’m asking this as an experienced Linux user managing multiple Debian & Arch boxes.

So I wanted to hear some experiences of you, that you may have had in the past considering EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Manjaro and Arch itself.

If you want to go down this road & are confident in your technical ability & mental fortitude to maintain such a system long term, then just go with vanilla Arch & go through the installation process once. The real difficulty of Arch is dealing with the every day minor & major breakages that come with updates. Learning something from the install procedure is actually helpful with that. The main point is that not only is the real difficulty maintenance, but none of the popular Arch flavors do anything meaningful to help with that. It’s just you and the terminal at the end of the day. Saving a couple hours on the install process is not going to help you at all.

Manjaro is conceptually garbage ran by incompetent people so it’s not even worth considering.

I personally have gone for Manjaro now, kind of hoping that it won’t break on the attempt to cut themselves of the company side of Manjaro and becomming they’re own non-profit.

Oh okay, oof. Let me explain then. Their concept of holding back packages by one week & still having / advertising the AUR means additional instability. This or that library or dependency gets an update & then the updated AUR package will break with your one week old stuff. Furthermore far more often than not they still push the broken package, because they would need a similar contributor base to main Arch to actually vet & test everything which they’ll never have no matter what they do. What they call an additional safety net is almost never one. Sure if Arch pushed a broken grub update, that’s like the one thing you could a avoid with Manjaro, but if you cannot fix / research such a problem (chroot or refind & reinstall grub), then you have no business using such a distro to begin with.

CachyOS is in a weird spot, but I cannot really recommend them, because they push new kernels too soon, to the point of ridiculousness.

EoS is vanilla Arch with a gui installer basically. It’s barely a distro, but their community forums are great for new users to ask “dumb” questions. I can fully recommend every noob Arch user this community, they’ll help you even if you are not using EoS, they’ve certainly helped & taught me a lot back then.

Garuda is the same as EoS, but there is some added graphical flare, which you can add yourself to any Linux system if you wanted to.

If you are a new user who is worried about old packages, then you should be using Fedora, that’s pretty much it. Arch can be good too, but it’s for a technical user who is really interested in Linux beyond just using their computer.

I ran Manjaro for a few years. It worked mostly but I ran into issues sometimes on updates. Got tired of that so I moved to Fedoraworkstation and it’s been rock solid.

I’ll advice you to go with Fedora, because rolling release distro often cause issues, but Fedora has not too old packages like Debian and gets major updates 2x a year, don’t worry about driver and app updates you’ll get them as you would on amy distro.

You can also set up debian to be a rolling release-based distro as well – which is comically easy to do. (All you have is to edit a text file and swap a word for “sid”.). And it’s as stable as you’d think.

t. Running Armbian (which is “debian for arm pc’s”), rolling release. Been running (and updating) it since a while and not a single weird oddities happened (like crashes, instability, etc).

Just enable nvidias apt repository and get whatever drivers you need directly from the source.

I tried CachyOS as my intro to Arch based distros (excluding Steamdeck’s Steam OS) and it kept crashing on start up a day after installation. I switched back to Nobara at the time and everything important worked again.

The lesson: don’t blindly trust the hype because people are full of shit and omit a lot of issues they experience.

I switched from EndeavourOS to OpenSUSE tumbleweed.

Not because EOS is bad, the contrary, i had a really good and smooth experience and probably only had one big issue, but my fault for not searching through EOS’ forum xD, that caused a total wipe and fresh install.

EOS beeing arch based, you need to keep regularly your system up to date and keep your system clean ! Beeing bleeding edge is a double sword… That’s why I switched to openSUSE TW, cause I needed something close to bleeding endge but also very stable for a hybrid server-gaming system.

This is also doable with EOS, but there’s way more personal investement to keep it stable.

Would totally recommend EOS to someone who want to tinker and customize his/her system and learning a bit more about how UNIX system works on a deeper level.

I first dove into Linux March 2020 with Mint. The next day the pandemic lockdowns started. I hadn’t heard about the pandemic at that point.

My internet was shut off a couple weeks later which made learning how to use Linux significantly more difficult. I had downloaded a wide variety of distro’s though and had plenty of time to try them out but only had the man pages to learn from, which don’t really make a lot of the connections I needed to get things working right on my computer, a Frankenstein’s monster which had a lot of quirks and was made from parts salvaged from the trash or donated out of pity by friends. Oh and the CPU was partially delidded by a tornado and still works like a champ to this day.

I went from Mint to various Ubuntu’s, played with a bunch of Puppy’s, didn’t care for Zorin or Fedora for unrelated reasons, almost settled on MX but messed something up, and long story short, I started using Manjaro KDE since September 2021 and have stuck with it. For my use case and equipment at the time, it just worked.

I’ve tried a few other distros, breifly, mostly in VM’s and almost changed to Open SUSE Tumbleweed but ultimately stuck with the Manjaro. There have been a few frustrations along the way but the issues stemmed more from my low-budget equipment, corrupt and incompetant internet service providers and incompetant and corrupt monitor and cable manufacturers, than anything Manjaro did and some of those problems were solved by their (mostly) friendly forum people.

I got lucky and managed to find a way to build a new computer since then, a fairly decent one for a home desktop in my opinion. I don’t foresee myself changing anytime soon. (New PC: AMD 7950XT; ASRock Taichi mobo; ASRock Radeon 6950 GPU; 128GB RAM)

I’ve been daily driving linux-based OS for about a year and a half now. I started with NixOS per the recommendation of a friend. It’s great for stability and the config-based setup is super cool. I found the software to be a bit behind in updates and the way the nix store worked caused some hiccups with certain things I wanted to do. I still use it for my servers, but switched to CachyOS for my clients.

CachyOS has been great. I use the Shelly GUI to install all of the software. I have Nvidia (RTX 3080) and have had a really smooth experience. The one issue that sticks out to me is there seems to be an issue with switching from a single monitor setup (for sunshine streaming) back to my triple monitor setup including my 32:9 240hz monitor - this became an issue recently after some updates. Could be a KDE thing rather than CachyOS thing, though.

FWIW I know nothing about how to get regular arch working - I’ve heard it’s a bit complex, but CachyOS has been anything but that.

After leaving Bazzite I jumped to Garuda. It was easy and I haven’t had any problems. Things run good. Gaming runs good. Pamac runs updates when I shut down. Is good.