US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”
NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”
US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡
wow, even after NATO members helped US.
Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker
What’s that flag?
Mike Lee? The guy who proposed a federal porn ban?
Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I’m certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.
Can the US get invaded yet? Someone needs to bring us some freedom…
As directed by Vladamir Putin.
The press I saw from nato meet where really disturbing as in they where blatantly sucking up on him… so maybe there was something known already. Also the Iran stunt is incredible, what is happening?
They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That’s not what I meant! I’m going home!They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for…
They’re also threatening to annex or outright invade long-term allies. You don’t want to be in a war where the people you’re fighting against are the only ones who can maintain and replace your weapons.
And yet the UK is buying more American jets 🤦
They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe
The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win
That’s probably a factor as well.
Honestly, NATO might be better off without them
with the constant threat of trump working with PUTIN, who wants nato in disarray, its a good thing.
Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins “man”*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them
- Drumph is NOT a man. He’s a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
a man child
Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?
Half the military and technology assets that won’t ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.
He’ll veto every action that goes against Russia… Which is what NATO was originally formed to do…
NATO is not against russia. It is against certain things that russia does to its neighbours who subscribe to NATO membership.
The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.
Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.
the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.
basically like how the russians do it, with bodies, and money, except the usa wastes more money. no strategy, just keep throwing waves of campaign after campaign of wars, plus it also justify have a 800bn budget. tangentially, this is what mr benjamin is doing constant war aggression so he keeps getting aid from the us. Pakistan does it too, just pretend they are doing something about the taliban in thier borders, just to keep getting aid.
yea Just like how the Afghans kicked expansionist russia out. Afghans are strong people. it is a place where empires go to commit suicide.
Although US got Osama (hiding in Pakistan though).
Actually, if you’re curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.
The answer is shockingly few.
Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.
checked a wiki page about that.
it’s frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.
likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources
The expense and waste is the point. Winning never was.
it was always to justify the defense budget to go into the pockets of the contractors, the politicians and the lobbyists.
war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.
thats why they do these aggressive recruitment propaganda every few years, having a movie like top gun maverick helped alot last year and propaganda like business insider video of military jobs. and yes most of them are aimed at POCs. when obama came into power, recruitment/military was actually downsizing in a peacetime military, but trump reversed it the moment he was in his first time. i was in forums where it was when obama was in charge, it was getting harder and harder to get into the military(people were getting denied left and right for medical and financial and crime reasons that mightve seen consideration during the bush era), then i magically reversed the moment he left office.
The true Rule 34.
I’ll grant you it’s a big racket, it’s corrupt, it’s inefficient, but I don’t think it’s a skill issue.
I wouldn’t consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.
Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.
it’s s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems…
and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won’t be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.
yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.
That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.
in a way, the “mission accomplished” was true
Just removing the US from another world stage
Soon we will be completely irrelevant
Which is the plan
Except they have the largest nuclear arsenal and the world biggest navy. They can’t be ignored.
Only “solution” I see is civil war. The nukes are still a problem for the rest of the world though
My brother-in-law is career Navy and he says they’d get mopped by the Chinese.
sounds like E1 speak to me. I’m sure your BIL is a lovely cadet, but he should learn when to turn-to and stfu.
He’s an officer and over 20 years now. This discussion took place shortly after he gave me a tour of the bridge of the carrier he was assigned to at the time. The terminals were running Windows XP. This was 7-8 years ago tops.
ah, so you’re full of shit and know nothing.
Great insight, corporal cumsock
Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.
Isn’t this the same psycho whose reaction to Minnesota politicians being assassinated was conspiracy theories?
Yes it is
Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.
watch how they whine, when european decides to close and expel all the bases and military from thier borders, Asian might not do it though because of CHINA, which is a different beast, and issue.
hello Russian shill.
There are plenty of ruzzian shills and Pootin taint attachees, but the comment you responded to, is an extremely fair one, and probably represents the majority opinion. Drumpf is a friend to no one in NATO, and is possibly even an enemy.
Trump is not the US. by advocating for the US to leave NATO you weaken the stability of NATO.
Putin and his lackeys directly benefit from a weak NATO and thus anyone who willingly advocates for the weakening of NATO is either
- a Russian shill
- too stupid to realize they are shilling for Russia
I’m not in support of Trump, y’all just keep pushing that narrative on me. which honestly only convinces me you’re part of group 1.
Trump isn’t the representative of the US? That’s great news but it’s not aligned with reality
trolls are out in droves today!
did I say he was “not the representative” or he was “not the US”?
somebody needs to work on reading comprehension. I can forgive it though assuming Russian is your primary language.
Are you high? The US president is literally a Putin fluffer. But please, go on.
🙄🙄🙄
yes!
and…?
I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.
Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.
All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.
I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.
Disturbing thought though.
And add a dose of the US invading Canada and Greenland when they’re no longer a part of NATO.
ruzzia has had it’s teeth pulled by Ukraine, so despite the barbarian posturing, they won’t be starting another war for a few years.
Russia is losing against Ukraine, the fuck they gonna do against EU, unless they use nukes in which case who cares, it’s game over
yup Russia using nukes anywhere near russia like Ukraine would mean the radiation will spread to russia too. so yes, it is game over.
Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country. The only country in NATO that have done that is the US. I don’t think Russia invading the whole of the EU is a realistic possibility but grabbing a few ex Soviet countries off the border…
Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country.
As I said I am pretty sure they can’t even properly invade ukraine and are struggling there.
The only country in NATO that have done that is the US.
I am not an expert on this but I am pretty sure a bunch of EU countries joined the US in afghanistan.
Israel, Iran, China, and Taiwan are all outside the scope of NATO.
Canada, Greenland, and most of the EU do fall under NATO protection though. It’s a defensive alliance with well defined boundaries, member countries may have interests in other parts of the world, but since none of Israel, Iran, China, or Taiwan are NATO members it’s not something NATO deals with. Unless one of those countries were to attack NATO of course.
Russia is in no shape to make war on Europe right now, they have their hands full with just Ukraine, and face economic collapse. Iran is in a similar situation. Trump has stopped his 51st state talk, but he’s insane so you never know. China invading Taiwan? Trump is weak (he only talks tough) so you never know. But China is authoritarian and as we’ve seen of late authoritarian regimes don’t seem to be doing well running military campaigns so it’s possible they don’t even have the capability of invading Taiwan.
