• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    Good. Fuck them. Evil bastards.

    They are feasting while they starve millions to death a few miles away.

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      It’s not Greece. It’s the protesters. The Greek government is notoriously close to the Zionists. About as stupid too.

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        Greece is not identical with its government. Pedantry that collapses an important distinction is extra unhelpful.

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          Funny you… you can separate Greece and its population, but the same rule doesn’t apply to Israel… really funny…

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            If Greece was doing what Israel is doing and my fellow Greek electors were responsible for electing for 20 years in free and fair elections the government that does it AND they were polling the government coalition responsible for doing it first for the next election AND in opinion polls overwhelmingly supported the genocide and I was one of the few brave souls doing the protesting, not only would I be ok with the conflation, I would be encouraging.

            Holding autocracies to account is easy: send the dictator to the Hague.

            Holding democracies (even flawed ones like Israel’s) to account is harder.

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    I remember from history class that a boat of Jewish refugees was turned away from several ports during WW2. Wild to have lived long enough to see that reason completely flip and have a decadent cruise turned away for supporting genocide.

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        Well, yeah. But the Israeli population is 75% Jewish and their leadership even more so. I’m holding my neighbor responsible for genocide, I’m holding Israel responsible for genocide. A critique of Israel is not an attack on Jews.

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        Israel exists because there wasn’t anywhere in the world that would grant Jews asylum in WW2. Rejecting boatloads of Jews is continuing the strong case for the need for a Jewish state.

        And you can’t call Jews living in Israel “colonists” as if they can “go back to Europe” now. They can’t leave Israel now,

        On one hand there’s a large number of people that want to “wipe Israel off the map” and on the other hand we have European countries not allowing Jews to enter. So what is the meaning behind “wipe Israel off the map” now?

        I used to think a Jewish state wasn’t necessary, though I didn’t have a problem with there being one. I figured we’d never go back to a to the dark times of the past. But now I’m absolutely convinced that a Jewish state is 100% necessary. So… congratulations, protesters?

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          I’m 70 years old and have always supported Israel until now, but I am starting to believe that the world would be better off without Israel. They function with a complete absence of honor and humanity, and completely lack the ability to compromise fairly. Israel is an irritant to a peaceful world.

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          The Israelis are colonists who are committing a genocide in order to expand their colony.

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          They are called colonists because they are litterly colonizing land in occupied territories. The government consists of parties that openly call for this.

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            They are called colonists because in your information bubble that’s the worst thing anyone could ever be. If you were terming the settlers in the West Bank to be colonizers, sure I could understand that.

            But I think you mean all Israelis are colonizers (even those who are just living where they were born) as a way to dehumanize Israelis and to rationalize the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

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              You’re just rationalizing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Colonisation is at the core in the Israeli government. Call a spade a spade

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      Refugee ships also still get intercepted and turned away from various countries. It is nice seeing the violent bigots turned away for a change, though.

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        Tbh most are migrating for better opportunities, not persecution, but yeah, out of all the boats that are turned away, this one is by far my favorite

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          I hear this a lot, but I don’t think it’s the gotcha people claim it is. Most genocide in the modern day tries to aim for economic strangling by eliminating/stealing what few opportunities exist for some populations. See, for instance, the IDF’s efforts to starve Gaza rather than shoot every single Palestinian. Or fascist America’s efforts to deny jobs (even the ones that are not in competition) to disabled or minorities.

          I don’t see it as “I’ma move and get rich”, I see it as “I’ma move and not starve on the street”.

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            That’s sadly not true, at least in Europe: since most people cannot enter legally, they have to resort to illegal way, and smuggler know this, and strangle them with bribes, extra fees etc. Most “trips” to enter through Italy for example for this reason cost thousands of dollars, not something a poverty stricken family can afford. Most economic migrants are from middle class in their own countries, who are attracted by the false promises of TV shows about how everyone in Europe or other countries depict themselves, but again, are decently well of on their own countries. Source for prices: International migration and illegal costs: Evidence from Africa-to-Europe smuggling routes - ScienceDirect https://share.google/YgcY5iFUeuZLvPmPH

            For the US, on the other hand, since you have a river vs a desert + sea, can be a lot cheaper

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    People actively committing genocide, should not be free to have a pleasant cruise holiday! Fuck That!

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      Can’t even commit a genocide and go on a cruise undisturbed after, what has this world come to

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      Don’t confuse hatred towards Israelis, Israeli policy, and Israeli supremacists with hatred towards jews in general. There is a difference.

      Anti-Semitic comments should be reported, they will be removed.

      Comments against Israeli policy and war crimes are allowed to stand.

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      You’re not an organic Jew, who is paying you to push this fucking bullshit that you like to spread around here, victimize yourself elsewhere you Fucking weirdo

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        I am no jew, i am a German christian and i recognize the patterns the so called “Palestine supporters” are using to spread their hate for Israel’s actions towards jews. You all who celebrate that this ship was turned away would have been proud Nazis back in the day. Think about yourself and think about where you would have stand in the 40s.

        • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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          I AM JEWISH, lived in Israel, and will say that clearly

          fuck you

          Free Palestine

          You are implying that genocide is a Jewish thing because protesting it is a protest against Judaism. In such case you are a massive antisemitic troll.

          ISREAL WILL AND NEVER BE A REPRESTATION OF JEWS.

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            See, according to Germany’s political establishment and mainstream, you, an actual Jew, are antisemitic. The German establishment knows better than you. And there is absolutely nothing creepy or antisemitic in them telling you you’re a bad Jew.

            Edit: not to mention that this person right here is probably feeling immense satisfaction at having been downvoted to oblivion. Because they are likely perceiving this whole thing as them taking a brave stand against antisemitism. This is them being pure rational Germans against antisemitic irrationality. That’s where we’re at.

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          Where would you stand in the 40s? You seem to be very okay with a genocide of Palestinians right now so just wondering

          Just because something was done to you does not make it fair or give you the right to do it to someone else.

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          Look, man I called what Israel was doing to Palestine a genocide when they first invaded, I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make here, genocide is being done by the Jewish people no matter how you sell it

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              We should also remember that Hamas was the aggressor, not the Palestinian people. Hamas does not represent all Palestinian people just like Israel does not represent all Jewish people.

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          Germany is participating in genocide again. For the 2nd time in 100 years.

          In 50 years there will be another monument in Berlin, apologizing for the victims of the Palestinian genocide.

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      Basic thinking skill:

      A) Was the cruise ship turned around because the men were circumcised

      B) It’s from a genocidal state?

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      How do you know the religion of cruise boat vacationers? Do they discriminate by religion?

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      I hate Daniella Weiss but I love Larry David, does that make me an antisemite? You’re the disgusting one, learn to differentiate. You ate nazi propaganda with a spoon in the 30s and you’re eating the same from the zionists now. Time to get your shit together. What does Jesus say about starving children, Christian? Why are you condoning genocide, Christian?

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      What is disgusting I that you are conflating legitimate non violent pressure to the citizens of a genocidal state to do their duty as citizens with hatred towards Jews.