I remember from history class that a boat of Jewish refugees was turned away from several ports during WW2. Wild to have lived long enough to see that reason completely flip and have a decadent cruise turned away for supporting genocide.
Well, yeah. But the Israeli population is 75% Jewish and their leadership even more so. I’m holding my neighbor responsible for genocide, I’m holding Israel responsible for genocide. A critique of Israel is not an attack on Jews.
Israel exists because there wasn’t anywhere in the world that would grant Jews asylum in WW2. Rejecting boatloads of Jews is continuing the strong case for the need for a Jewish state.
And you can’t call Jews living in Israel “colonists” as if they can “go back to Europe” now. They can’t leave Israel now,
On one hand there’s a large number of people that want to “wipe Israel off the map” and on the other hand we have European countries not allowing Jews to enter. So what is the meaning behind “wipe Israel off the map” now?
I used to think a Jewish state wasn’t necessary, though I didn’t have a problem with there being one. I figured we’d never go back to a to the dark times of the past. But now I’m absolutely convinced that a Jewish state is 100% necessary. So… congratulations, protesters?
I’m 70 years old and have always supported Israel until now, but I am starting to believe that the world would be better off without Israel. They function with a complete absence of honor and humanity, and completely lack the ability to compromise fairly. Israel is an irritant to a peaceful world.
They are called colonists because they are litterly colonizing land in occupied territories. The government consists of parties that openly call for this.
They are called colonists because in your information bubble that’s the worst thing anyone could ever be. If you were terming the settlers in the West Bank to be colonizers, sure I could understand that.
But I think you mean all Israelis are colonizers (even those who are just living where they were born) as a way to dehumanize Israelis and to rationalize the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
Refugee ships also still get intercepted and turned away from various countries. It is nice seeing the violent bigots turned away for a change, though.
I hear this a lot, but I don’t think it’s the gotcha people claim it is. Most genocide in the modern day tries to aim for economic strangling by eliminating/stealing what few opportunities exist for some populations. See, for instance, the IDF’s efforts to starve Gaza rather than shoot every single Palestinian. Or fascist America’s efforts to deny jobs (even the ones that are not in competition) to disabled or minorities.
I don’t see it as “I’ma move and get rich”, I see it as “I’ma move and not starve on the street”.
That’s sadly not true, at least in Europe: since most people cannot enter legally, they have to resort to illegal way, and smuggler know this, and strangle them with bribes, extra fees etc. Most “trips” to enter through Italy for example for this reason cost thousands of dollars, not something a poverty stricken family can afford. Most economic migrants are from middle class in their own countries, who are attracted by the false promises of TV shows about how everyone in Europe or other countries depict themselves, but again, are decently well of on their own countries. Source for prices: International migration and illegal costs: Evidence from Africa-to-Europe smuggling routes - ScienceDirect https://share.google/YgcY5iFUeuZLvPmPH
For the US, on the other hand, since you have a river vs a desert + sea, can be a lot cheaper
I remember from history class that a boat of Jewish refugees was turned away from several ports during WW2. Wild to have lived long enough to see that reason completely flip and have a decadent cruise turned away for supporting genocide.
In any case, Jews =/= Israeli
Well, yeah. But the Israeli population is 75% Jewish and their leadership even more so. I’m holding my neighbor responsible for genocide, I’m holding Israel responsible for genocide. A critique of Israel is not an attack on Jews.
Israel exists because there wasn’t anywhere in the world that would grant Jews asylum in WW2. Rejecting boatloads of Jews is continuing the strong case for the need for a Jewish state.
And you can’t call Jews living in Israel “colonists” as if they can “go back to Europe” now. They can’t leave Israel now,
On one hand there’s a large number of people that want to “wipe Israel off the map” and on the other hand we have European countries not allowing Jews to enter. So what is the meaning behind “wipe Israel off the map” now?
I used to think a Jewish state wasn’t necessary, though I didn’t have a problem with there being one. I figured we’d never go back to a to the dark times of the past. But now I’m absolutely convinced that a Jewish state is 100% necessary. So… congratulations, protesters?
I’m 70 years old and have always supported Israel until now, but I am starting to believe that the world would be better off without Israel. They function with a complete absence of honor and humanity, and completely lack the ability to compromise fairly. Israel is an irritant to a peaceful world.
So you want to kill all the Jews in Israel?
You’re showing the mental capacity of a four year old.
Yes, and insulting people instead of responding to what they said is the height of maturity.
The Israelis are colonists who are committing a genocide in order to expand their colony.
They are called colonists because they are litterly colonizing land in occupied territories. The government consists of parties that openly call for this.
They are called colonists because in your information bubble that’s the worst thing anyone could ever be. If you were terming the settlers in the West Bank to be colonizers, sure I could understand that.
But I think you mean all Israelis are colonizers (even those who are just living where they were born) as a way to dehumanize Israelis and to rationalize the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
You’re just rationalizing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Colonisation is at the core in the Israeli government. Call a spade a spade
Zionists had been colonizing Palestine for decades before the Holocaust. Your statement is patently false.
Do you consider all immigration to be “colonization” or is it just when specific ethnicities do it?
What is this
A news article from more than a century ago?
Do we really need to crack open some dusty history books and go over the decline of the Ottoman Empire?
Refugee ships also still get intercepted and turned away from various countries. It is nice seeing the violent bigots turned away for a change, though.
Tbh most are migrating for better opportunities, not persecution, but yeah, out of all the boats that are turned away, this one is by far my favorite
I hear this a lot, but I don’t think it’s the gotcha people claim it is. Most genocide in the modern day tries to aim for economic strangling by eliminating/stealing what few opportunities exist for some populations. See, for instance, the IDF’s efforts to starve Gaza rather than shoot every single Palestinian. Or fascist America’s efforts to deny jobs (even the ones that are not in competition) to disabled or minorities.
I don’t see it as “I’ma move and get rich”, I see it as “I’ma move and not starve on the street”.
That’s sadly not true, at least in Europe: since most people cannot enter legally, they have to resort to illegal way, and smuggler know this, and strangle them with bribes, extra fees etc. Most “trips” to enter through Italy for example for this reason cost thousands of dollars, not something a poverty stricken family can afford. Most economic migrants are from middle class in their own countries, who are attracted by the false promises of TV shows about how everyone in Europe or other countries depict themselves, but again, are decently well of on their own countries. Source for prices: International migration and illegal costs: Evidence from Africa-to-Europe smuggling routes - ScienceDirect https://share.google/YgcY5iFUeuZLvPmPH
For the US, on the other hand, since you have a river vs a desert + sea, can be a lot cheaper