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New European car registrations of Tesla vehicles totaled 8,837 in July, down 40% year-on-year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, or ACEA.

BYD recorded 13,503 new registrations in July, up 225% annually.

Elon Musk’s automaker faces a number of challenges in Europe, including intense ongoing competition and reputational damage to the brand.

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    It’s because people are waiting for the new model Y. 🤣🤣🤣

    t’s not only Tesla feeling the heat from Chinese competition. Jeep owner Stellantis, South Korea’s Hyundai Group and Japan’s Toyota and Suzuki, all posted year-on-year declines in European new car registrations in July.

    Japan has generally been really underwhelming in the EV market, offering mostly Hybrids. While I hear Hyundai is cheap in USA, that is not really the case in EU, a Huyndai is as expensive as a VW. Stellantis is a crap show, they continuously offer too little too late and overcharge for it.

    By contrast, Volkswagen, BMW and Renault Group, were among those that logged increases in new European car registrations across the month.

    VW group is really killing it here in Denmark 7 out of top 10 most sold models are from VW group here, and I think in most of EU it’s mostly similar, because they offer cars with a very strong combination of range quality and attractive price.

    VW has the lowest rate of errors at German mandatory biannual safety check published by TÜV, with for instance Tesla failing 7 times more often, With nearly 15% failure rate!!
    In Denmark it’s even worse for Tesla with 30% of model 3 failing after 4 years!!! (first mandatory check) And Tesla even rejecting repair under warranty.
    The faults aren’t minor either, they are serious faults in brakes, suspension and steering! No other brand is nearly is bad as Tesla in safety checks! The average rate is 11% so Tesla is about 3 times worse than average!!

    https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2025-01-populaer-tesla-model-dumper-med-et-brag-til-syn

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      All true, but North America does not have mandated safety inspections for cars. They are used until they fall apart and kill people.

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        VW has been getting some flak for being more expensive to maintain than for instance Tesla, but clearly it makes a difference, VW is doing better in checks than Toyota, that many Americans consider the most reliable car brand.

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      The Kia EV3 and Picanto are pretty popular in the Netherlands nowadays, which are basically just a Hyundai in disguise.

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        The KIA EV3 was very well received by the press here, and won car of the year first price with Skoda Elroq as #2.
        But in sales the Skoda Elroq beat the KIA EV3 with the Elroq as #1 and the EV3 as #3.
        KIA Picanto is a model that has been reasonably popular here, is that available as BEV now?
        Here BEV clearly dominate the market. I think all of top 10 cars sold are BEV.

        https://mobility.dk/nyheder/juli-boed-paa-markant-fremgang-i-bilsalget-elbiler-fortsat-i-front-men-usikkerhed-om-bilpriser-venter/

        I think I wrote 7 of top 10 were VW group, turns out it was actually 8 out of 10.
        With KIA EV3 and Renault R5 being the only 2 that are not from VW group. And the VW T-Roc and Cupra Leon as the only non BEV.

        Also note that despite BEV is absolutely dominant, Tesla is completely out of top 10 now.

        If you don’t have a translator in your browser, I can copy paste a translation of the article for you.
        Just for fun, you might try to “decode” the Danish text, and be surprised how much you can understand. I sometimes do that with Dutch, and knowing English and German and having Danish as a native language, I can understand about 80% 😋 , but it’s slow as hell.

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      Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust on the brakes from people using regen. Rust will form on all brakes if left unused, it’s just a matter of using them. There was also an issue with the front suspension that required a service bulletin at the time that was legit, but wasn’t a saftey thing.

      There’s a few things that could lead to Tesla having higher rust rates over other EVs

      • Tesla might have stronger regen so people use the brakes less.
      • Tesla has a strong 1 pedal driving option which further reduces braking if enabled [0 brake pedal usage needed to come to complete stop, it will blend in brakes for the last few km/h]
      • For cars that use blended braking anywhere, they may initiate it sooner than later.

      Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion or rust will form. Using the brakes clears the rust.

      Edit: Essentially, this is a case of the facts are true, but the facts don’t always tell the whole truth. If you walk away from reading about this report thinking Tesla is the least reliable car, you’ve been mislead, unintentionally or not.

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        Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust

        This is not true, although it is a common point of failure for Electric vehicles, it is not the primary fault, slack in the steering is.
        Rust on the brakes is a very well known issue for all electric cars. Problem for Tesla is that the first security check coincide with the last service check under warranty.
        Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?
        There was also a common issue with suspension.

        No matter what or why a 30% failure rate is insane. The best cars (from VW) have only just above 2% failure rate!!

        Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion

        This is true, and has been widely publicized here in all newspapers, so mostly any owner of an electric car should know that.
        But more obviously the Tesla service should absolutely have known, and fixed the issue before the mandatory safety check.
        Again no other car is even close to as bad as Tesla.

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          Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?

          It’s not something to “fix” like that.

          It’s there one day and its not the next. If it’s there, you fail.

          It just depends on if you’re using them or not and the weather at the time. If you take the time to go to a shop for a pre-inspection (not everyone will), and they see rust, they’ll just tell you to go use your brakes. That’s the fix.

          Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.

          Edit: Just to be more clear - If you drive your car in the rain, park it for a few days or even overnight and check it, you’ll have rust. You don’t fix that in any way other than using them. OEMs don’t just fix that.

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            Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.

            First that is simply wrong, did you not see the biggest point of failure is in the steering? The brakes are not what makes Tesla worst, it’s the general shitty quality and service.

            Tesla wouldn’t be last if they didn’t have any faults… duh.

            Tesla is so much worse than everybody else in several regards, remove the brake problem and they would still be worst. Also it’s completely irrelevant, if Tesla has this issue more than other cars it makes them worse. You might as well say they aren’t bad except for the wheels falling off all the time.
            Other brands exist under the same physical laws, but don’t have as many issues as Tesla, also these issue for Tesla are not isolated to Denmark, in Germany we see a similar picture, Tesla has higher failure rate than any other brand.

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              Oh shit, I didn’t realize this was Denmark, i was thinking of the German one. In the German one, Tesla was only 1-2% above the next worst one which wasn’t an EV. And the reason Tesla would have more issues with rust is the reasons I listed above.

              Where do you see the actual numbers/ranking the article you posted doesn’t show that, but the first thing it calls out is brakes (among all the others)

              Edit this is the quote from the article

              It is especially the fault groups “brake equipment”, “lamping equipment”, “axles, wheels and tires” and “controlldom” that the cars fail

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                I tried to find an article with better info, but I couldn’t, the info was available a couple of months ago. Search engines just wont give me those articles.
                But IMO it doesn’t really matter if it’s rust on the brakes, the brakes need to work in emergencies where regenerative braking is not enough.
                You don’t get a pass for not using your brakes much in your daily driving. It’s a serious safety issue and not just some minor thing that isn’t important.
                Tesla not having this under control shows that Tesla is not a good brand for safety.

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                  It’s not a serious saftey issue at the level that would fail the car.

                  If you are gung ho on regen and never use/clear your brakes, you could definitely get to the point of it being legitimately dangerous, and that 100% needs to be found during an inspection and resolved, but that’s not what’s happening here in a lot of cases. This isn’t a OEM problem, it’s driver education around something entirely new problem. (edit: There are a lot of signs that something is wrong before it gets dangerous.)

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                    It’s not a serious saftey issue at the level that would fail the car.

                    That’s weird statement when it clearly does, and you even claimed yourself it was the main reason for failing for Tesla.