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New European car registrations of Tesla vehicles totaled 8,837 in July, down 40% year-on-year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, or ACEA.
BYD recorded 13,503 new registrations in July, up 225% annually.
Elon Musk’s automaker faces a number of challenges in Europe, including intense ongoing competition and reputational damage to the brand.
Elon is a BYD marketing asset
I kinda wish Elon was a Chinese agent and Trump was really a Russian agent. It would make more sense at least.
But instead we have two people making the exact same decisions that a state agent would do to sabotage the US and it’s industries but it’s all because of their absolute incompetence instead. Which is far less exciting and far more pathetic.
I kinda wish Elon was a Chinese agent and Trump was really a Russian agent.
Instead of them both being Saudi agents? JK these guys have many owners.
So you’re saying Trumps decisions are exactly the ones of a saboteur, but you don’t believe he is one, because he is incompetent?
How “competent” do you have to be to be able to do, what someone tells you to do?
Occam’s razor is pretty applicable here.
I haven’t bought anything from a USA company since Trump being his second term. I canceled Amazon prime. I sought out UK and EU suppliers for all my products and services. Installed Linux (German based distro, sorry fedora) closed my social media apart from lemmy and migrated my emails to an EU service. Oh and bought a Chinese made electric Dacia. You can do it, it wasn’t even hard.
It is an incredible self-own for the USA that won’t really be felt for a few years at least. To abandon research and future markets tech like electric vehicles and green energy, and to abandon them at the exact time China goes all in on it? Are they trying to put themselves in a position of irrelevance? Because that’s exactly what I’d do if that’s what I wanted.
Hey, gotta focus on fascism first
Yes. Trump is Putin’s puppet and does anything he says.
Are you based in the US? I’m curious how much the import taxes were on the EV
I’m in the UK
I mean
have you met the Chinese president for life? Feels like a really weird line you’ve drawn between acceptable and not acceptable.
Maybe, but it does feel as someone in the UK that Trump seems more like a new, clear and present danger to our way of life than the Chinese.
To the uninformed sure.
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I shall. If the USA continues to threaten Canadian sovereignty, I will refuse to trade with them.
When Trump (may his anus be infested with cancerous hemorrhoids) dies, I will pop open a patriotic bottle of Crown Royal and listen to the wails of his cult with delight.
if you had any real patriotism, you would not be this complaisant as your country is flushed down the toilet
damn, you really misunderstand what patriotism is don’t you
Patriotism…
Username is Ernstrommel.
Are you wearing your kampfbinde right now?
The word you are looking for is nationalism. Völkisch is the flavor you are probably after.
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What a response. I’m impressed. Are you self aware at all? Is this just ragebait? Go back to 4chan anon.
Edit: He made it 2 days… Poor guy. I hope he wakes up to reality before it’s too late.
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I will buy neither.
BYD is selling a lot because is subsidized heavily by the chinese government to disrupt european brands, and this despite having a 35% tariff on top for not disclosing this to the EU.
BYD is hiding $44B in debt. Chinese EV industry is eating itself and is the next Evergrande. They are losing money on every sale.
This is how modern “competition” works in every industry. China is just following the standard model of taking losses in order to monopolize the market. Why do you think so many companies in the US (Uber being the most obvious one) are just taking losses for years and years?
I feel like people don’t understand modern economics and the complete lack of competition. So when our media says “China is bad. Look at them cheating!” people believe it.
China isn’t cheating or “going to crumble because of this” like all the YouTube click bait videos say. This is literally just how the global markets work.
Is it good? Fuck no. But it’s not unique to China at all. And their 5 year planned economic systems are much more prepared for a global collapse than ours are. At least in meeting the material needs of its citizens. The US has all but gutted any of its social safetynets for when this all goes to hell.
And companies like Uber, Amazon etc. are heavily disliked by a lot of people because of it. This tactic forces smaller companies into bankruptcy and is bad for the consumer in the long run.
So yeah, it is absolutely not good either if China props up their whole EV industry to establish a monopoly. I hope governments around the world are pushing back as much as possible to keep their local car manufacturers alive, their economies will profit from it.
Not supporting this doesn’t mean that you don’t understand modern economics, on the contrary I would argue.
I guess you didn’t read my last paragraph. My comment wasn’t about defending China. My comment was about critizing the “China bad” that comes from people that don’t understand the economics and just listen to the xenophobic media narratives.
All countries our guilty of these types of things. China is just winning at it and the west is pretending it’s not losing.
BYD is being sued for slave like conditions in Brazil.
You think they’ll do that in Brazil and not China?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo
Everyone is like YAY BYD BAD TESLA, but buying a BYD is gonna be worse overall. If you want to buy something other than Tesla, don’t buy a fucking BYD. Find a non Chinese brand, there are plenty of them now.
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Every country subsidizes it’s major industries like that. Also, this is public knowledge. China isn’t secretly hiding their state ownership and subsidies.
Nobody subsidizes on the same scale as what China is doing. Nobody operates entire market sectors at a loss for strategic advantage. The reason why China is doing this is because they’re comfortably in the lead among world powers and can afford to lose a bit, and also: everything is a weapon in their eyes, and they’re determined to use their weapons on everyone else.
EDIT: Although I do admit the Oil Industry is pretty equally cutthroat, Saudis weaponize crude and Russia weaponizes Natural Gas.
Who are the losers that still buy a Tesla in Europe?
Good. May they fall another 40% in 2026. Fuck that company.
Did he really think Europe would like his Elon Hitler salute?
That’s only a part of the reason. Europe now has 12 models of EVs at €25,000 that by every measure, are better.
Which ones? I know about Dacia, but most others I’ve heard of start at 30k
I tried to drive a model 3 and it was infuriating to have everything on touch including turn indicators, windshield wipers and especially the gear selector.
Then a huge screen that can’t be used with your phone so you’re still forced to use a phone holder like a decade ago.
For me a car without carplay/android auto loses $5000 in value, and “touchscreen everything” removes another $5000 in value. I could only accept those compromises in a $20k car if new, $10k if used
Wait what?? I knew they overused terrible touch screen controls… But you can’t even connect your phone properly?
The phone connects over Bluetooth. The car itself runs apps for some services, so you log in on the car for those apps to run them natively. If you personally don’t use any of the services/apps it supports though, you’re stuck with Bluetooth only. Full forward/back/skip/ etc supported but it’s not android auto. I think all the models come with the built in phone charging cradle spot under the touch screen.
Gee do you need to be a wizard to figure out aligning yourself with idiot right wingers wasn’t a good business decision when your entire business appeal is about being a good person and saving the planet
Saving the planet by selling cars that cost >1.5 median yearly income, pretax was always a joke.
Liquidate Musk
I don’t get how US stock market pretends China isn’t bringing global competitors.
BYD is taking a huge market share on the EV, Temu takes a big market share on e-commerce but both Tesla and Amazon keep growing
You can’t buy BYD cars in the US. Out of sight, out of mind.
I’m pissed that Canada followed the US’s stupid protectionist tariffs on BYD cars.
American car manufacturers spent years lobbying against fuel efficiency and EV uptake and now that they’ve put themselves at a disadvantage they need the government to artificially prop them up so they don’t go under. I say let the fuckers rot in the grave they created.
The Canadian and US autosector are heavily intertwined. BYD destroying the US or Canadian market, will also destroy the Canadian sector which is already on edge.
Old and busted vs new hotness
And their cars are not all roadworthy here in Europe.
Is there some specific road conditions that they’re not built for or is it just the fact that they generally suck
They have safety issues, and with the cybertruck is so much wrong, you can’t even fix it to make it roadworthy in Europe. Apart from the fact that you would need a commercial trucking license to drive it.
It’s because people are waiting for the new model Y. 🤣🤣🤣
t’s not only Tesla feeling the heat from Chinese competition. Jeep owner Stellantis, South Korea’s Hyundai Group and Japan’s Toyota and Suzuki, all posted year-on-year declines in European new car registrations in July.
Japan has generally been really underwhelming in the EV market, offering mostly Hybrids. While I hear Hyundai is cheap in USA, that is not really the case in EU, a Huyndai is as expensive as a VW. Stellantis is a crap show, they continuously offer too little too late and overcharge for it.
By contrast, Volkswagen, BMW and Renault Group, were among those that logged increases in new European car registrations across the month.
VW group is really killing it here in Denmark 7 out of top 10 most sold models are from VW group here, and I think in most of EU it’s mostly similar, because they offer cars with a very strong combination of range quality and attractive price.
VW has the lowest rate of errors at German mandatory biannual safety check published by TÜV, with for instance Tesla failing 7 times more often, With nearly 15% failure rate!!
In Denmark it’s even worse for Tesla with 30% of model 3 failing after 4 years!!! (first mandatory check) And Tesla even rejecting repair under warranty.
The faults aren’t minor either, they are serious faults in brakes, suspension and steering! No other brand is nearly is bad as Tesla in safety checks! The average rate is 11% so Tesla is about 3 times worse than average!!https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2025-01-populaer-tesla-model-dumper-med-et-brag-til-syn
All true, but North America does not have mandated safety inspections for cars. They are used until they fall apart and kill people.
VW has been getting some flak for being more expensive to maintain than for instance Tesla, but clearly it makes a difference, VW is doing better in checks than Toyota, that many Americans consider the most reliable car brand.
The Kia EV3 and Picanto are pretty popular in the Netherlands nowadays, which are basically just a Hyundai in disguise.
The KIA EV3 was very well received by the press here, and won car of the year first price with Skoda Elroq as #2.
But in sales the Skoda Elroq beat the KIA EV3 with the Elroq as #1 and the EV3 as #3.
KIA Picanto is a model that has been reasonably popular here, is that available as BEV now?
Here BEV clearly dominate the market. I think all of top 10 cars sold are BEV.I think I wrote 7 of top 10 were VW group, turns out it was actually 8 out of 10.
With KIA EV3 and Renault R5 being the only 2 that are not from VW group. And the VW T-Roc and Cupra Leon as the only non BEV.Also note that despite BEV is absolutely dominant, Tesla is completely out of top 10 now.
If you don’t have a translator in your browser, I can copy paste a translation of the article for you.
Just for fun, you might try to “decode” the Danish text, and be surprised how much you can understand. I sometimes do that with Dutch, and knowing English and German and having Danish as a native language, I can understand about 80% 😋 , but it’s slow as hell.
Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust on the brakes from people using regen. Rust will form on all brakes if left unused, it’s just a matter of using them. There was also an issue with the front suspension that required a service bulletin at the time that was legit, but wasn’t a saftey thing.
There’s a few things that could lead to Tesla having higher rust rates over other EVs
- Tesla might have stronger regen so people use the brakes less.
- Tesla has a strong 1 pedal driving option which further reduces braking if enabled [0 brake pedal usage needed to come to complete stop, it will blend in brakes for the last few km/h]
- For cars that use blended braking anywhere, they may initiate it sooner than later.
Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion or rust will form. Using the brakes clears the rust.
Edit: Essentially, this is a case of the facts are true, but the facts don’t always tell the whole truth. If you walk away from reading about this report thinking Tesla is the least reliable car, you’ve been mislead, unintentionally or not.
Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust
This is not true, although it is a common point of failure for Electric vehicles, it is not the primary fault, slack in the steering is.
Rust on the brakes is a very well known issue for all electric cars. Problem for Tesla is that the first security check coincide with the last service check under warranty.
Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?
There was also a common issue with suspension.No matter what or why a 30% failure rate is insane. The best cars (from VW) have only just above 2% failure rate!!
Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion
This is true, and has been widely publicized here in all newspapers, so mostly any owner of an electric car should know that.
But more obviously the Tesla service should absolutely have known, and fixed the issue before the mandatory safety check.
Again no other car is even close to as bad as Tesla.Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?
It’s not something to “fix” like that.
It’s there one day and its not the next. If it’s there, you fail.
It just depends on if you’re using them or not and the weather at the time. If you take the time to go to a shop for a pre-inspection (not everyone will), and they see rust, they’ll just tell you to go use your brakes. That’s the fix.
Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.
Edit: Just to be more clear - If you drive your car in the rain, park it for a few days or even overnight and check it, you’ll have rust. You don’t fix that in any way other than using them. OEMs don’t just fix that.
Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.
First that is simply wrong, did you not see the biggest point of failure is in the steering? The brakes are not what makes Tesla worst, it’s the general shitty quality and service.
Tesla wouldn’t be last if they didn’t have any faults… duh.
Tesla is so much worse than everybody else in several regards, remove the brake problem and they would still be worst. Also it’s completely irrelevant, if Tesla has this issue more than other cars it makes them worse. You might as well say they aren’t bad except for the wheels falling off all the time.
Other brands exist under the same physical laws, but don’t have as many issues as Tesla, also these issue for Tesla are not isolated to Denmark, in Germany we see a similar picture, Tesla has higher failure rate than any other brand.Oh shit, I didn’t realize this was Denmark, i was thinking of the German one. In the German one, Tesla was only 1-2% above the next worst one which wasn’t an EV. And the reason Tesla would have more issues with rust is the reasons I listed above.
Where do you see the actual numbers/ranking the article you posted doesn’t show that, but the first thing it calls out is brakes (among all the others)
Edit this is the quote from the article
It is especially the fault groups “brake equipment”, “lamping equipment”, “axles, wheels and tires” and “controlldom” that the cars fail
I tried to find an article with better info, but I couldn’t, the info was available a couple of months ago. Search engines just wont give me those articles.
But IMO it doesn’t really matter if it’s rust on the brakes, the brakes need to work in emergencies where regenerative braking is not enough.
You don’t get a pass for not using your brakes much in your daily driving. It’s a serious safety issue and not just some minor thing that isn’t important.
Tesla not having this under control shows that Tesla is not a good brand for safety.It’s not a serious saftey issue at the level that would fail the car.
If you are gung ho on regen and never use/clear your brakes, you could definitely get to the point of it being legitimately dangerous, and that 100% needs to be found during an inspection and resolved, but that’s not what’s happening here in a lot of cases. This isn’t a OEM problem, it’s driver education around something entirely new problem. (edit: There are a lot of signs that something is wrong before it gets dangerous.)
Not sure if Chinese EVs are improvement…
Over Tesla I’d say they are.
BYD are not the best, but they are comfortable and cheap and charge fast.
MG has probably the cheapest BEV that is actually a decent car with good range.
Xpeng has insanely well equipped luxury cars, BMW luxury at VW prices.
Nio has the battery swap that is insanely fast, a battery swap is faster then even BYD 1 GW charging.There are so many more options, and all of them beat Tesla in some way or other.
If you want a better Tesla than a Tesla, you can get a VW instead of model 3 and model Y, or BMW or Mercedes instead of model S.And none of the above cars will nearly as likely kill you as a Tesla might.
Ok but one way to make an EV charge faster and cost less is to put in a smaller battery.
A small battery charges relatively slower, think of the small battery as only 1 element, and the larger battery consisting of 2 elements charging in parallel.
The best the small battery can ever achieve is to charge equally fast to 100%, but 100% is only half the power. But the big battery can charge the same amount of power in half the time.
are we just ignoring the glaring fact that these are rolling internet connected computers with cameras and who the heck knows how many other sensors, inside and outside?
I wouldn’t want such a “car” from a European company even. but I guess ignorance is bliss, and we have nothing to hide.
Unless it has escaped your attention, USA is not an ally of EU anymore except on paper. USA vs China is about the same to us now.
Traditionally EU has allowed USA a lot of leeway to spy on us through their technologies, under the assumption that USA was an ally, but it’s actually USA we are trying to prevent from continuing that spying we know for sure they do.
We do not have evidence of similar Chinese spying.So there you go, it’s OK you don’t want either Chinese or European cars as an American, but to be honest, the American cars have already been documented to spy on Americans, passing data on to American authorities, which for instance resulted in the destruction of a Waymo car at a demonstration.
So for Americans everything OTHER than an American car might actually be preferable in that regard!!!So as I see it, you are the one who is naive and ignorant.
They may all spy, but the only ones we know do it for sure are the Americans, and then the question is who is the biggest threat, and right now that too is the US government, that shows a complete disregard for both law, human rights and humanitarian issues and allies and agreements and democracy.Unless it has escaped your attention, USA is not an ally of EU a
it has not escaped my attention, both are equally bad.
Traditionally EU has allowed USA a lot of leeway to spy on us through their technologies, under the assumption that USA was an ally,
and now they’ll keep allowing it for the chinese out of fear that it would significantly worsen chinese relations.
We do not have evidence of similar Chinese spying.
how, don’t those have a cellular connection too?
in this article the byd boss doubles down on this by saying they use google cloud services to store and process the information… now, do you think that somehow that protect us from the usa?
then its another thing what type of data they collect. facebook does most of its business in a GDPR compliant way, and that means nothing as users just sign away their consent for all kinds of data to be collected, otherwise they can’t use the service.
Unfortunately, the mozilla privacy not included team did not review byd, but maybe you are not surprised that I doubt they are better than any of the European brands.
as an American,
I’m not an american. I live in the EU, and I think this is the least bad place when looking at digital rights.
that however does not make me trust volkswagen, renault, or whoever other EU car companies either for nearly the same reasons as chinese car companies.
we could say I’m allergic to any car that can be remote controlled and interrogated over a network.for instance, this is how renaults fare: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/renault/
They do, like the rest of the car brands, collect a lot of personal information about you like your name, address, and your vehicle’s VIN number. They also collect data about your driving and what you do in your car: When you accelerate, pump the brakes, or use multimedia. They also record all your interactions and conversations with them. Again, for car companies, this level of data collection seems pretty standard.
So for example, Renault collects “Data related to your personal and/or professional situation (family situation, socio-professional category, etc.)”
how do they even get access about any of these two?? if we are fortunate, only by a question on the registration form or shortly after registration.
More on those commitments, Renault sometimes shares your personal information in ways that don’t seem totally necessary, or in their words, for “explicit, legitimate and determined purposes.” For example, they say then can share it with “[a]ny associated or connected motor manufacturer from whom we purchase or hire goods (and their group companies)” and “partners.” It’s also not clear to us whether they will only share your personal data with law enforcement when they are legally obligated to, according to the language they use in their UK Privacy Notice.
It’s not looking amazing for one of the “good ones,” we know. Yet we still have one last beef (or should we say beouf?) with Renault. They’re part of a strategic alliance with privacy-monster Nissan, one of the worst car companies we reviewed a privacy. What does that mean exactly for the fate of your personal data? Well, probably not much thanks to the strong legal protections in place. Still, given these companies’ cozy relationship, we’ll take it as a cautionary tale for what Renault might do if they could.
and then remember what they said about data sharing with partners: “[a]ny associated or connected motor manufacturer from whom we purchase or hire goods (and their group companies)” and “partners.”
their conclusion? that it’s standard levels. and that even in the EU, they are among the better ones! but that does not make it acceptable.
and you could say that “but you can just remove the entertainment system’s fuse!”, and that would be right. kind of.
until the car gets to the service, where even the diagnostic tool that uses always online DRM will be able to transfer whatever information it just wants, or if I sell the car, the next owner replaces the fuse and all the recorded information gets uploaded.with byd, it also does not happen to help in ignoring chinese spying that my government leans to china (besides russia), they are installating face recognition capable chinese camera systems against EU law, and installing huawei network equipment for important infrastructure left and right.
I’m not an american. I live in the EU, and I think this is the least bad place when looking at digital rights.
Why then do you call Europe “they” instead of we? “and now they’ll keep allowing it for the chinese”
If you think car cameras are used for surveillance, it’s not just electric cars, but is in ALL new cars from all countries.
So what was the point really of you previous comment???Why then do you call Europe “they” instead of we?
Because in my mind it’s not a social decision but a political decision, and politicians are “they”.
If you think car cameras are used for surveillance, it’s not just electric cars, but is in ALL new cars from all countries.
I did not intend to limit my criticism to electric cars.
