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    Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.

    Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!

    We are sick and tired of your excuses.

    This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.

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      As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.

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        This seems as ignorant as the parent comment. Just like they ignored the native population, you’re ignoring whole countries full of white peoples who did not partake in any form of colonialism.

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        What fault of ours is the invasion of your country by other white people from Europe hundreds of years ago? Our ancestors were the ones who stayed in Europe

        Edit: a lot of people seemed to have found the downvote button, but no one seems to have found the answer.

        Edit #2: still more downvotes, but nobody has answered my question, just some comments about colonialism and my stupidity.

        People are entirely missing the point: why should a grudge against some random other white people that have nothing to do with us stop you from rising up against this white person? Why should today’s Europeans “go fuck themselves” because of that? Wake up, stop making excuses and do something about it, go protest in the streets!

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          Moreover, it’s not a europe problem it’s a class problem. It wasn’t the builders, gardeners, and plumbers of Europe deciding to subjugate the world. It was the oligarchs. They were squeezing all they could out of Europe and it wasn’t enough for them. So they dressed it up as duty to the country/religion to expand, but it was a way of enriching themselves.

          Many Scottish crofters were also forced off their land during the sheep clearances when the lairds figured out that removing the population and replacing them with sheep was more profitable. They would either buy up the land and evict the crofters or charge them for fabricated crimes and send them to Australia. The place I grew up has a population of around 10% of what it should be because of this practice (that’s after steady growth in the last few decades).

          It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the settlers from Scotland who joined the Hudson Bay company for example, did so because they couldn’t earn enough to survive at home. Both because of taxes from the lairds and low wages.

          So yes Europeans moved to America, but for most of them it was a matter of survival, not greed.

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          Ah yes I see European solidarity is alive and well. No chance you’ll ever have fascism again over there with statements like that. Truly a bastion of the brightest and best ideals of humanity.

          /s

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      As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.

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        In any war there are soldiers who don’t wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.

        If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.

        Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can’t, then form your “well regulated militia” that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others

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          As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT “good honest people”. They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.

          I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don’t. Do what you have to do, and don’t feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.

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            Isn’t every invasion like that?

            Propaganda machine tells you the enemy is the worst ever, so children pick up the guns and march into death.

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        Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

        We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!

        Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.

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          Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don’t take their guns into the streets to stop it.

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            The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.

            (All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it’s changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped–literally or figuratively–to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)

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            Because the people afraid of a tyrannical government started supporting the tyrannical. Not to say I hate or am against guns but to think a yokel was going to make a difference in a country this big is absurd. The police are a military force themselves.

            I often wonder if the Oklahoma City bombing would happen today by Tim Mcveigh. I mean this is literally the government they feared it’s just that they are targeting the people they hate so they don’t care. If it was the other way around it def would. And Oklahoma has embraced his ideas hell they might have shut down the FBI office in the last few years.

            What am I or we supposed to do? The majority of us are broke. I don’t have money to travel to a blue state right now to help resist.

            I have a family I very much love and a daughter I want to watch grow up. I know others are losing their ability to be with their families but I’m not putting that at risk unless I absolutely have to and if it was going to make a difference

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          Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          I really wish NATO nations would have criticized those wars, instead of knowingly sending their troops to die in wars based on lies.

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        The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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        I understand that there are a lot of Americans who did not vote for him or support his actions. But he’s your monster. You need to deal with him.

        If you do nothing and stand back while he invades other countries and force them to fight the battles you won’t, then you are neither a good nor caring person.

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        You are forcing us to fight your fight. I am not going to waste time trying to determine who is who.

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        Ah yes, the tired old “not all men” argument. Nobody cares. If you’re not actively part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

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      Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.

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        To be honest the time for protesting and resisting was about 10 years ago. Once they’re done weeding out undesirables over appearances they’ll go for ideologies and values soon.

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        Yeah but they aren’t. Once a quarter getting together to wave signs isn’t protesting. They aren’t resisting. Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.

        Permits to hold a rally with signs isn’t it.

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          Yeah but they aren’t.

          That’s some confidently incorrect shit right there.

          How the fuck do you know what’s happening or not happening when media refuses to cover it, or worse, does cover it but downplays it in such a way that thousands of people showing up turns into “some protesting occurred today in downtown Minneapolis.”

          Actual resistance is what got the National Guard ordered out of LA, Portland, and Chicago, and why ICE is increasingly departing Minneapolis proper for places further out in more rural Minnesota. But you don’t know that, because you’re sopping up headlines and nothing else, if that much.

          Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.

          At this point, all I have to do is look past you and at my neighbors and fellow citizens: we know what we’re up against in ways that are clearly over your own head, and we’re showing up. We don’t need your discouragement and ignorance but if that’s all you have, that’s all you have.

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            Ok bud. If you think you’re doing enough to fight fascism by holding a sign, good for you.

            Your elected government has 42% approval rating.

            Your opposition party has posted a few memes.

            There has been lots of strongly worded letters.

            No one can come to save you. If you think you’re doing enough, i support you.

            Hopefully your demonstrating will finally end the fascist regime.

            I know what id do if it happened in my country.

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              Waaaah Waaaah Waaaah

              You’re free to go march down to your local government office and demand that every US plutocrat’s assets be siezed today. Are you doing that? I’m going to play by your rules and assume no because I didn’t see a headline. I really doubt you “know what you’d do” if you can’t even do that much tough guy

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          Until they go on a nationwide general strike, sustained until it reaches its objective, they are condoning the administration

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      And all the other fascist countries that don’t fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.

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        Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.

        I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.

        Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.

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          You’re right, just like the incessant comparisons between ICE and the Gestapo conveniently gloss over ICE’s much closer resemblance to slave catcher patrols. They refuse to admit this is a very, very old and well-established movement in their country. The problem is that they never decisively put down the Confederacy.

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      This is what no theory does to a mf

      The American people as a whole are not the ones to blame for their capitalist dictators doing imperialism. You can and absolutely should shame all of the individual fascists that support even a little of what’s going on, Republican or not, but there are so many people who are against this and are also victims within this capital of global imperialism, either by being driven to poverty despite there being enough resources for everyone to thrive, either by literally being hunted in the streets by state goons.

      You should instead be giving inspiration to the American people so that they unite, organize and resist, to liberate both themselves and also the rest of the world from their own rulers.

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      Getting real fucking sick of Europeans saying shit like this. You spent the last 70 years benefiting from the U.S.'s obscene military spending, and now you’re whining that the superpower has gone mad and come for you. Well, it turns out the imperial boomerang doesn’t just describe the people getting beaten and shot by militarized thugs in American streets. It also describes the countries that sat back and watched the U.S. empire grow, occasionally clucking their tongues in disapproval while happily lapping up the benefits of an imperialist ally.

      The empire has come for all of us now. Find solidarity with those who want to fight it or surrender, but throwing up your hands and saying, “it’s not my fault, you fix it,” sure as shit isn’t helping anyone.

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      Europe has been a vassal state of the US for years. It was clear that America has been spiraling towards fascism, and European leadership did not admit it, even if they recognized it. Europe should have developed their militarizes and not relied on the US military for decades for their protection.

      What the US is doing is wrong, and Europe should have seen this was possible, and took actions to prevent it from being possible. Instead of focusing all of your anger towards Americans, reserve some anger for the leadership that has failed you, and allowed this to happen.

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        You’re confusing the complex dynamics of international relations of democratic EU member states and its 450 million citizens with the psychology of a single person.

        The EU isn’t just an entity that can make decisions. European leaders change all the time. Many decisions at the EU level can be vetoed by a single member state. There are many people, even political parties who have wanted a European military for a long time. But… there are others who didn’t.

        What you’re seeing is one person, presumably from Europe, who is angry with Americans. There are other Europeans who feel bad for Americans and yet others who don’t read any news at all.

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      Most revolutions only succeed when they have backing from third-party countries. Maybe learn some history before making dumbass, unhelpful remarks 🙄

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      It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.

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      The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.

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        The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are

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    Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.

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        Do they, really?

        Remember how noone says “it was just Hitler and his thugs”, no, the world correctly identifies deeply rooted problems within the German mindset and German society of the time as major contributing factors to what ultimately led to the catastrophe we know as WWII and the Holocaust. Militarism, blind obedience before orders and oaths, blaming others.

        Even today, Germans are very often confronted with their Nazi past, usually by Americans who think their sense of humor is superior when they crack a dumb Nazi joke (I would like to get a Euro every time I read “I did nazi this coming” on the internet).

        No, people do NOT forget. And they don’t care who you are - a perpetrator or someone who was opposed to what happened and apologized for their country. They don’t even care if you knew.

        “I didn’t vote for this” is fast becoming the new “I didn’t know anything about it”.

        I’m German, so take it from me - sorry, Americans, I wish it was different, but the world will not distinguish what you think about what happened, they will only see an American. People are simple and will always blame the collective.

        My granddad was shot by the Wehrmacht for defection, but the world will always just see the Nazi soldier.

        And we also see your fighter jet flyovers at the super bowl, the glorification of your military, the gun cult, the lack of social laws and how every single person in America has to fend for themselves. This lack of empathy is a deeply rooted problem in the American mindset and I view it as a contributing factor that enabled Trump.

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          That’s because its something that is taught to every generation on purpose in pretty much every school system around the world. Most stuff is not something you learn in school, while it is alot.

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    Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).

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        100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.

        It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.

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        He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.

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      Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.

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    Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world

    Plus, you know, you’re dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave

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    Californian here.

    There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.

    Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.

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      This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.

      I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.

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      Welcome to the sensible German’s approach to “patriotism”. Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I’m a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.

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      I’ve started to civilly disobey by removing myself from the economy as much as possible.

      Cancelling my car insurance felt like a rite of passage.

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    Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.

    And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.

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      The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage

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      A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.

      But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.

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        A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.

        Yes, you have made grave mistakes for many years that led you to this very deep hole… now they climb back is not going to be a walk in the park but either you do it or die in the hole

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      Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.

      The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.

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        I’m so tired of these “Ackchyually” excuses, pretending to be smart yet failing to see you are still pointing the finger at your collective selves

        Those “civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered” were appointed by the regime of the Orange Pedophile whom the American people voted for a second term in office… the vast majority of Americans either voted for this or could not be bothered opposing it with a simple vote they could have mailed in

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          I’m not “pretending to be smart”, at least not intending to do so. I’m just saying exactly what I said. The military branches all have some non-offensive parts of their mission. That’s just true. Airlift for aid delivery has traditionally been part of the mission, for example. I was also careful not to exonerate them for missions that cause harm or for violation of LOAC or UCMJ. They should know better.

          I said the enlisted aren’t the primary problem. Maybe you think they pick and choose their missions, but they simply don’t. As far as voters… yeah many of us are pissed too. What do you want me to do? I vote, I try to persuade others to, try to do my part to keep the electorate informed, try to feed my family, etc. Are you asking us to build some fifth column or some such? That sounds great, but many have a lot of context that informs their decisions.

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            Let me ask you this. I believe this is true but let’s pretend it’s just a hypothetical scenario:

            Democracy in the USA is over, no more elections, everyone lives under martial law and your precious enlisted are your direct oppressors now.

            What are you willing to sacrifice to return your country to Democracy? your life? an hour of watching Netflix?

            Let me remind you that you ARE in this scenario and the longer you wait, the harder it will be

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              I’m an immigrant, living in Europe, taking care of a few people that need me. I’m also a veteran with prosthetic discs in my back. Be specific; what do you suggest?

              I should also add, to answer your question. I would absolutely lay down my life for the cause, but unless I can see a direct line from that to success, there is still a big, complex risk benefit equation I’m working on.

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                Since you already left America, I guess you did see the writing on the wall long ago (or maybe just got lucky)

                Thinking you were in the USA, I was hoping you’d stop consuming as much as possible and start organizing marches… not on weekends to minimize disruption, on weekdays and preferably during peak hours so they can be noticed (and yes that can be done in whatever little town or big city people live, no need to pretend only marching in DC works)

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      There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).

      Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.

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      In Greenland specifically, it means staring wistfully out at the ice and ocean and considering your life choices.

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    Maybe the alien invasion from outer space we were expecting since Independence day. was just the Americans using either their space force toys or the solar warden fleet to take over the world?

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    If the U.S. pulls out of NATO, losing Greenland will be the least of Europe’s worries.

    It will become obvious at least two weeks before it happens, since we’d need to move aircraft carriers, etc. there. Also, they’d be fools to resist.

    No, I’m not supporting this at all, I’m just stating facts.

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    As a Canadian, I can send maybe a .22 break-barrel pellet rifle. Best I can do.