• sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    2 days ago

    I have read the git thread related to the merge request.

    I don’t see what’s the big deal. You have a user model that already contain fields like user’s full name, location, … among others and all this developer did was adding yet another optional field called date of birth.

    This does nothing to verify user’s age and enforce nothing. They’ve stressed that repeatedly in the comments.

    What that does is making it easy for a Linux distro to store user’s birthday - should they wish to do so - and making that bit of info accessible to running apps so that each app can do what it wants with it.

    User’s fullname and location are already there which are also optional so what’s the big deal?

    • iByteABit@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Then why did they lock the fucking thread as controversial if it was such an innocent change?

      It’s paving the wave to implement a Californian law that can very easily end up meaning ID verification for everything.

      They could just not have done this at zero cost but decide to go to multiple projects, at this specific time which obviously isn’t coincidental, and actively work to start implementing this on Linux. I guess “Contributed to systemd” on their CV was more valuable than resisting the USA taking control of the whole internet and ending all sense of privacy.

    • Atlas_@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      It’s definitely wrong to degrade or harass this guy for doing it.

      Buuut this is being made to support a bad law that should be opposed. The law is a bellwether for compulsory age and identity verification, which should strike fear into the hearts of everyone. And especially everyone who cares about their privacy (which really should be everyone, but …).

      Furthermore, it’s questionable whether a law like this can apply to open source software. IMO it really can’t - who exactly is liable? Is the world really better with ageless Linux outlawed?

      • sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 day ago

        This is a law that companies are required to implement or stop making business in the states enforcing that law.

        You probably feel that companies should just stop doing business in those states “to show them”. Sadly a lot of profitable Linux companies that fund Linux development disagree with your high morals. They want to continue doing business there.

        Adding that field help those company comply with the law and doesn’t hurt you in anyway except maybe taking few bytes in your disk drive.

        Even if the field is not added, those companies would come up with another place to store date of birth or even use systemd fork.

        Its not like they will say since we can’t store date of birth in systemd’s user model then we’ll have to abandon this project and close our branches in those states instead.

        • Atlas_@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 day ago

          Yes it’s technically trivial. I have read the patch. That’s beside the point, which is social and political.

          I get to decide and report what does and does not hurt me thankyouverymuch. And I do think this is a step that erodes my right to privacy, taken with shockingly little discussion. (Which got it reverted)

          There’s a lot of degrees of freedom between “just comply bro” and “good luck enforcing that”. For example https://blog.system76.com/post/system76-on-age-verification