Before we go too hard into the “um, actually” responses, this was pretty obviously a reaction to Hegseth’s “prayer for violence.”
I’ll take any sort of help we can get against that idiot and his gang of idiots’ illegal war.
Religion can be fine. It is and always has been the idiots who ruin shit, just like with everything. I have churches around me that help the community, are open to all sorts of people. So the leader of one of the largest churches finally doing what he can to denounce nonsense is a step in the right direction for sure.
Unfortunately, the idiots will most certainly be heard.
“If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.” – Psalm 66:18
“Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.” – Isaiah 59:1-2
“If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” – Proverbs 28:9
"When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil. – Isaiah 1:15-16
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” – 1 Peter 3:12
Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. – Proverbs 21:13
“The Lord is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.” – Proverbs 15:29
He’s got a pretty solid basis for that claim.
If those Evangicals could read they’d be very upset.
The Evangelicals Creed
“I believe in God, the Father Almighty maker of heaven and Earth. And in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, never did or said anything important, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried…”
PSALM 140
1 Deliver me, O Lord, from evil men; Preserve me from violent men, 2 Who plan evil things in their hearts; They continually gather together for war. 3 They sharpen their tongues like a serpent; The poison of asps is under their lips. Selah
4 Keep me, O Lord, from the hands of the wicked; Preserve me from violent men, Who have purposed to make my steps stumble. 5 The proud have hidden a snare for me, and cords; They have spread a net by the wayside; They have set traps for me. Selah
6 I said to the Lord: “You are my God; Hear the voice of my supplications, O Lord. 7 O God the Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have [a]covered my head in the day of battle. 8 Do not grant, O Lord, the desires of the wicked; Do not further his wicked scheme, Lest they be exalted. Selah
9 “As for the head of those who surround me, Let the evil of their lips cover them; 10 Let burning coals fall upon them; Let them be cast into the fire, Into deep pits, that they rise not up again. 11 Let not a slanderer be established in the earth; Let evil hunt the violent man to overthrow him.”
12 I know that the Lord will maintain The cause of the afflicted, And justice for the poor. 13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks to Your name; The upright shall dwell in Your presence
Sounds like the opposite might be true, and it’s OK to pray for the death of evil men.
Sounds like I need to start praying for Pete Hegseth…
Every US president in the last 35 years has bombed the middle east.
Sad-funny part is that it was in the name of “bringing the armageddon” alongside money.
There was decades of propoganda calling all forms of self-defense “just religious extremism” and we find out it was mostly projection.
That only takes us to 1991.
Reagan bombed Libya, and IIUC, Carter tried a rescue mission in Iran.
[] Leo said. "He revealed the gentle face of God, who always rejects violence.
I think my Bible might be faulty
The Israelites were YAHWEH’s special people, so when they are oppressed it’s bad, but they are obligated to genocide anyone that stands in their way. Even babies and animals.
This should sound familiar even you have never read a line of a Bible or Torah.
No no no. That was the Old Testament which doesn’t count anymore.
The New Testament is the one that we care about (except we’ve we don’t)
Because God’s absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense.
I mean, that’s not wild on it’s face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships.
I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers).
Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day.
And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again.
It makes sense historically
New Testament Jesus comes back from the dead and murders everybody on earth who won’t bow to Him.
You’re describing Revelations Jesus. And by the time he finally shows up, all the killing’s been done by the Fake Jesus that’s tricked legions of people into damnation.
This is also the only Gnostic text that made it into the canonical texts. If you get into the actual Gnostic beliefs about Jesus, you’re on a rollercoast ride of spiritualist philosophy bordering on the Sci-Fi. Alternate dimensions, shared souls, astral projection, just all sorts of weird goofy shit that the Council of Nicea cut from the program.
Revelations is, at its heart, a story of how Rome and its pagans will all eventually get what’s coming to them. That the Christians-Who-Are-Doing-It-Wrong will get what’s coming to them. That the Jews will get what’s coming to them. It is a story wildly out of line with the prior books, but one that resonated strongly with the post-Constantine neo-Christian order.
I love you Leo but these leaders couldn’t care less about god. Perhaps a better twist would “Leaders who wage wars are antichrists on Earth”?
The leaders don’t care but a lot of the people who voted for them allegedly do.
allegedly
That word is doing a lot of work.
yea that why I think it is more to the point to equate them with antichrist (or atleast their cult if we wanna give it a lovecraftian twist) rather than just someone whose prayers don’t get accepted. Leo is a playa, he should know this.
Ok based af of him
Also I’m wondering what the bets are like on how long it takes Vance to kill him
He probably knows better than to shake hands with Vance, curse or not.
I don’t think the evidence is clear that god rejects prayers more for sociopaths than everybody else.
But yes they are probably rejected equally.Or God simply doesn’t exist and we as a species need to deal with our own problems
Yes by rejected equally I mean always rejected, exactly because god doesn’t exist.
Some claim that the reason we can’t see the effect, is because god doesn’t reveal himself.
Funny thing is though, that a study on how prayer works for sick people showed they actually got worse!
So there isn’t even a beneficial psychological effect, it’s actually negative.
If god was working without revealing himself, there is no reason it should be worse.
So when people claim there is no evidence against the existence of god I disagree.
There is no evidence that a god exist, but there is actually evidence against the existence of the Judaic god.
Also the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a god, is evidence that the existence of a god is highly unlikely.Funny thing is though, that a study on how prayer works for sick people showed they actually got worse!
Uuh, is it because they refuse other types of treatment? That is a pretty important distinction. I don’t believe for a second that just praying magically makes you more sick.
Nope exact same treatment, apparently the psychological effect of knowing that people are praying for you makes it worse, all else being equal.
Maybe, but I think sociopaths have a real “ok, well fuck you, too, then. I’ll do/get it myself!” mentality when it comes to God.
Lol American Catholics don’t listen to the pope
God also rejects prayers of child molesters, Leo.
Fictional characters don’t matter
What are you talking about?
… Leo isn’t fictional.
The pope is a hoax and always has been
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Pope of Catholicism.
I’ll give the orange moron an hour or two to produce an all caps posting on his sewer of a platform, calling Leo a “Fake Pope”, claiming the papal election was ‘rigged’ and threatening to bomb the Vatican unless they offer him the papacy.
He’s allegedly omniscient and omnipotent, so he must be okay with the needless death and suffering.
Being an American and a good Christian is contradictory. Look at how it started in America, forced conversions of native American children and that was just of what we know of it, at least here in America.
Being an American and a good person is contradictory, what with the numerous genocides throughout her history and all, that being one of them.
I get what you’re saying but it’s hard to lay blame on a modern person for some shit a related group of people did 150 years ago. That’s like saying it’s impossible to be Irish and a good Catholic, what with the child slavery prisons, which are far more recent. Or that is impossible to be a Muslim and a good person, what with the things other Muslims have done in the name of God.
You’re responsible for you. Other people are responsible for themselves. Unless you happen to believe that every person is responsible for the sins of his father. Which, weirdly enough the Catholic Church does, but didn’t happen to be involved in that particular genocide.
Also, counterpoint, Mr Rogers. American, Christian, good person. Or Jimmy Carter.
That’s just original sin talk. Also, Leo is American. For an American to be a good Christian takes extra work, “it’s not my fault but it is my responsibility” and whatnot, but I’ve met Americans who are good Christians, and yeah they’re involved in attempting to right the wrongs that can be righted here
good Christian
Those 2 words are not synonyms, despite how often people pretend they are.
Congrats on the dumbest thing I’ve read today, and I’ve read quotes from Trump today!
“Based on where you are born, you can’t be a good person.” That’s literally what you are saying.
You: “Being Chinese and a good driver is contradictory.”
You: “Being African and a smart student is contradictory.”
Where is he getting that information, exactly? Can this be independently verified?
Big f—ing /s on this one…
Lol, who says the leaders who wage wars even pray?
I think the Pope was responding to this:
Peter’s no leader. I doubt anyone would willingly follow him for anything.
