That’s a joke, right?

I wouldn’t want this Iranian government to have nukes though

It’s a huge assumption on your part that they believed it. It was and it remains an instrument of control. They took considerable editorial liberties, too, with the supposed word of god.

That is an equally large presumption. I happen to agree that some were more interested in control but many were believers.

Anyway, even if they believed it that is STILL NOT EVIDENCE

To them it is. Do you not get that they believe they have the words of their divine being in book form? If their faith is correct it would be proof.

The difference is the people who compiled the Bible at the Council of Nicea believed in it to varying degrees. The guy who wrote the Hobbit knew it was fiction.

Are youasking me to refer a book about the CCP’s treatment of religious communities?

They can offer proof that’s the book that claims there’s an omnipresent being.

Both are making claims and neither can substantiate it. The difference is the more mainstream religious folk tend to recognize this whereas many atheists seem not to.

You need to crack open a book desperately if that’s your current perspective because Im not talking about churches. You absolutely have bigoted atheists, who murder theists. China loves murdering religious folk.

There are tons of atheists who are bigots.

“On 19 June, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government’s confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (of which 36 were students), 10 PLA soldiers, and 13 People’s Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded”

under “Death Toll”

The wikipedia article on the incident was my source.

Yeah Engels take on authoritarianism is dated and not really valid given that his ideologies do not result in anything other than authoritarian states IRL.

Most rational people oppose authoritarianism.

According to the official numbers there were ten civilians killed for every state agent of oppression.

But the Russian ties are a hoax, right?

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Some folks here are as devout believers in their system without any evidence just like those that regularly attend churches

A large elderly population that needs benefits but isn’t producing labor’s requirements are met how in alternate systems if those needs require medicines that Japan must buy from other nations?

Remember in Japan’s case there are not enough workers paying into the system to maintain benefits for the growing elderly population which is expected to increase.

They need more workers paying taxes into their system than retirees taking benefits out if the system. As Japan is the oldest nation on average this is a huge problem.

They wouldn’t be able to afford retirement payments for their elderly population. That is the risk

Lacking a belief in God, asserting there is no God, and asserting there is a God are all equally impossible to prove provided that by “God” we mean an omnipotent omipresent being.

I dont know how to make that any clearer.

Thanks, Im not super familiar with the details of the Hajj