I like xmpp, but it is not a discord alternative. It is a WhatsApp / Signal / iMessage alternative.
It doesn’t have 80% of discord features, I use discord a lot and I don’t have a single group chat.
Matrix / Element is a way better alternative feature wise.
The ever continuing trend of foss enthusiasts having less then no fuckinf clue the FUCK normal people use computers for.
Xmpp is great but you are 100% right. It’s not a discord replacement. It never will be. It is court replacement and it is not trying to be a discord replacement. People need to stop trying to force it to be one. The same thing goes with matrix though to a lesser extent.
Matrix at least is trying to be a team’s replacement, which is a legitimate alternative to what discord does for the average user.
Matrix has a whole host of other problems that will make and never be a viable alternative. But none of them are technical in nature. It’s mostly just the fragmentation will nature of it. And how confusing it is to navigate.
At the moment the only two legitimate replacement options are stoat and fluxer. Stoat is a dead end and unluckly to go anywhere. While fluxer is only like 2 weeks into its open beta just released its code base to the public after a long-ass time of closed development. And barely has enough funding even with their Kickstarter thing. Fluxer has passed 100,000 user Mark already and growing.
It’s also the only thing that’s actually trying to be an app for your average user. It’s actually targeting the same demographic discord was.
Which matters a lot. Matrix xmpp all these other things aren’t targeting the same demographic. They are not trying to be a replacement. I mean, I’m sure they’re happy to scoop up some new users and help expand their reach a little bit who doesn’t want to see their project grow after all.
But all these people trying to push matrix xmpp and what not is like going to a construction site telling a worker. Hey, your pickup truck is old and s***** you should stop using it and go use this nice moped while they look at you. Like you’re a f****** retard as they have to lug around a ton and a half of materials and tools everyday in the moped. Why perfectly good means of conveyance will do the job better than the pickup truck as the purpose of a vehicle cannot fully fulfill the same role that the pickup truck fills.
This was voice dictated if the grammar is f***** up. Sorry my brain don’t work too good sometimes
which features are missing from xmpp that are necessary for most gamer groups? is it the protocol that is missing the support, or specific implementations? genuinely asking since I’d been considering setting up an xmpp server for my gaming groups
Do you use features like permissions, channels, threads, bots, … a lot ?
Application using xmpp as a backend are great and can be all you need if you just want a simple voice/text chat with no additional features.
There is no equivalent to most “server/community” features of discord in the xmpp protocol, and it is something that needs to be implemented at that level for it to work.
ah we don’t really use those features much. as long as we can hang out and chat as a friend group, we’re good
Seems to me that those are generally enabled by bots and scripting, and I don’t think it’s any harder to do that stuff in XMPP than it is in discord?
What’s Lemmy’s opinion on Fluxer?
I love it and use it daily. Once it becomes stable, gets a docker container and documents the self-hosting flow, it will rule the universe.
You’re not bothered by the plutonium stuff? Would you still host it if the plutonium features were still there in the self hosted version? (as in your self hosted instance paying them for plutonium on your servers)
I was under the impression that plutonium on my server would be controlled by me. Say, if I wanted to give it away, I could. At least, that’s what I’ve read.
That might be the stupidest fucking statement ever.
Your basically asking if unicorns shit gold would you take the unicorn poop.
It’s nonsensical. It doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation. Anyone can make up b******* hypotheticals to make something sound bad. It’s still b*******.
Why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about the plutonium stuff? Kick starters, investment backing, and crowd funding are all standard ways to generate initial revenue. It’s a f****** company. It needs money to buy hardware in paper server costs. Development isn’t free and if you want people to work full-time on something you have to get this pay them.
He basically asked for $300k to start full-time development and Kickstart the company after he left closed development. He provided a full proof of service documentation in history of his closed development.
The only people who have any issue with the plutonium stuff are those who are either too f****** retarded to understand basic business or a too far up their own asses to think that everything should be free in life.
If you self-host you don’t have to pay f****** wild concept considering how many self-toast services actually charge you money for full service. So that alone is already one up on a lot of stuff.
A basic subscription is far more reliable than donations if you want a company to be able to actually function. A subscription provides a reliable income so you can actually plan your costs and budgets. It’s a far better option than microtransactions that discord seems to want to push.
Cuz again server costs and vitamin costs aren’t free. Remember FOSS stands for free as in freedom to do what you want with the software within the license not free as in it doesn’t cost you f****** anything.
If fluxer had come out of the gate with no proof of concept, no history. No explanation of the credentials of the developer. No business license and no source code on demonstration and just said hey. Trust me bro. I need 300 Grand then. Yeah it would be an issue. But lo and behold the reality is none of that’s true.
Could it all go poof belly up and a month time 2 months a year? Yes of course, small businesses die all the time. 300K is not a lot of money for a small business. Frankly, the fact he only asked for $300k is more of a red flag than he asked for money at all. Cuz he’s going to have to pull a lot f****** more money if you wants to do anything remotely clothes to what his goal is. If he had shot for a 500k 600k somewhere in that vicinity. I would personally be more trusting than him asking for $300k. Much more than 600k and I would start asking questions as that’s a little bit much for a initial investment backing.
Seriously, the more I look around on Lemmy the more, I think that nobody here seems to actually understand that s*** costs money.
You sound upset, you should talk to someone about that.
He’s already talking to that machine of his that censors his drunken ramblings with cute little asterisks. I wonder what does that do to someone’s psyque tho.
- Self-hosting guide appears missing
- Other guides have crazy writing errors
- Setup looks convoluted.
What I’ve seen makes me bet I could be dragging iso27002 out and marking all the rules it breaks. …and the devs won’t know what that means.
I’ve tried it. It performs poorly.
That there’s no shortage of wheels being reinvented, and that it takes insights developed over decades to be relevant in this field. To avoid.
XMPP doesn’t seem to be well supported in terms of Windows clients
My parents in their 70’s are alright daily driving gajim there
